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PSA-Toe Nail Removal

Bevo16

Registered User
pilot
Sucks a big one.

And Navy Medicine (or at least their admin) does too.

On Sunday night, I smashed the big toe on my right foot. Probably most of you have at one point smashed a nail so that it turned black. Up to this point the worst that I have had was getting stepped on by Leonard Davis (Dallas' Cowboys right guard) in football practice This thing turned purple almost instantly, but only about halfway up the nail. I screamed and cursed so loud that I scared my poor 5 year old son to tears.

So, Monday morning I head to medical to see if they had a sanitary way to give me some relief. The standard redneck healing method is to heat up a needle and stick it through the nail so the blood can come out. I didn't feel like doing that and wanted a professional to handle it. So, I get to the desk at what used to be sick call, and the HM2 behind the desk (a BAMF wearing his FMF badge, a bronze star w/ V, NAM w/V, Combat Action Ribbon, Purple Heart, etc) tells me that sick call does not exist anymore and he hands me a card with a phone number that I have to call to make an appointment. I had a somewhat confused look on my face, one that he probably gets from everyone, and he apologizes for the stupid procedure but says that it's "just what they have to do". So I back out of the line at the Millington Branch Medical Clinic to call the appointment line at Pensacola Naval Hospital to see if someone can help me in Millington, the HM2 that runs flight physicals (another BAMF with an equally impressive stack) sees me in obvious discomfort and takes me to his office to speed the process. He makes the call to Pensacola, again apologizes for the stupid business practice and acknowledges that everyone hates the system. After sitting on hold for 10 minutes, he says "fuck it" and takes me to an exam room. Within 5 minutes, he has his LT in there and they decide that the best course of action is to let me suffer. OK, fine. At least I got a doctor's opinion and some 800mg motrin out of the deal.

By the time I get home on Monday though, I have had enough and had to get some relief. Taking the wise counsel of my lead civilian case manager (a Tennessee home remedy specialist) I get a 1/32 size drill bit from my tool box, disinfect it and my toe, and slowly work the bit into the nail bed by hand. This sounds stupid and painful, I know. It may have been stupid, but it was virtually painless and when I got through the relief was immediate. Several CC's of blood squirted out and I felt good enough to go to football practice (I coach 5th and 6th grade at Harding Academy). Murphy's law is a motherfucker, and true to form about half way through practice one of the boys sank a cleat right square dead center into my smashed up toe. The Lord was with me though, and I managed to not spray the field full of Christian school kids ankle deep in profanity. The toe has gone from really really bad to horribly worse. Instead of being 1/4 black, it is now 85% black. I get home and drain it again, but it keeps filling up as quick as I can drain it. MF.

I managed to make it through Tuesday, mostly by not wanting to put up with the BS at medical, knowing that Pensacola is going to have me on hold for half an hour just to tell me to go to the emergency room at a civilian hospital, and I don't know where my fucking Tri-Care card is. We also had 4 new deaths, and the shit has hit the fan at the office. By this morning, I had had enough. There is no doubt at this point that the nail is going to come off. The thing is starting to turn silly colors that crayloa will not put in a box because they don't want to scare the kids. I skip the front desk and head straight back to the HM2 that I think has the best chance to take pity on me. He does, mostly because I think he was bored and cutting off an officer's toenail would be the most exciting part of his day.

I have pretty well proven that I am not impervious to pain, but I have a history of being impervious to painkillers. Latocain for example, just doesn't work very well on me. Instead of the 4-5 cc's and 3 sticks that he thought it would take, I took 9 cc's and 5 sticks. The first one made me quickly realize that my previous description of the pain "It feels like someone is sticking a needle in my toe." was somewhat of an exaggeration. Now that someone was actually sticking a needle in my toe, it was much worse. FUCK ME that hurt. After getting it numbed up, the worst part was hearing the sound of as the HM2 cut my toenail up the middle with a pair of scissors. He then pulled the halves off with a pair of forceps, and we were done. Except for the bleeding. The source of most of my pain was a pea size clot that had formed from the initial smashing and was pushing the nail out of place. I had also broken the nail bed off. The doc said that he usually did a couple of those a week with his Marines in Iraq, and that none had come off so easily. I was so proud.

The good thing about latocian is that it numbs you up pretty good for the procedure. The bad thing is that it only lasts for about 45 minutes, and we are 20 into that. The pharmacy is conveniently located halfway across base in the NEX, and I am looking at a 10 minute wait there. I am also in uniform and there is no way that I am getting my shoe back on. So I suck it up and just hope that I don't bump into an admiral or anything in hobble in without my shoe and pick up my lortab. I can't take it though, because it is a narcotic and it is against the law (and dangerous as hell) to drive after taking it. I scurry home (20 minute drive) and by the time I get here my toe is respectfully requesting some narcotic pain relief. I oblige, and quickly affirm that the "do not drive while on this medication" is a shall, not a should, for damn good reason. 3 hour nap, here I come.

I feel better now. Rested. Medicated. On the mend after a few miserable days of constant pain in my foot. I learned several things.

1. Toe nail removal sucks, but it sucks more when you put it off for 3 days.

2. Navy medicine has some serious admin issues. I don't know who decided that branch medical clinics would do away with sick call and that their acute care patients will be required to call an automated help line at a hospital 300 miles away, but that person needs to be drug out into the street and shot. The official process required to see a doctor here in Millington is fucking retarded. With all of the national health care debates going on, the military system is often held up as a shining example of how great government health care can be. Up to this point, I would have agreed. The management of the clinic in Millington shows a perfect example of how the government can fuck up anything given the chance. I am sad and disappointed that the medical officers in charge of that place have created/allowed that situation to happen.

3. The people that we have working in our clinic are several orders of magnitude smarter than the people running it. To their great credit, they saw the stupid process for what it was and they took good care of me. The HM2 BAMF cussed like a sailor (I love that), cussed at the process (I joined him on that), and he was a total pro in explaining to me what he was going to do before he did it (I am a bit of a whiny bitch when it comes to people cutting off a body part).

4. If your toe ever looks like this, go see a doc.
 

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BACONATOR

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pilot
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OUCH! Good write up!

Thank god I was a child (and a civilian) with upper-middle class healthcare when I decided to rip off my thumb-nail fresh. Not smash and fall off. Ripped off....fresh.
 

PropAddict

Now with even more awesome!
pilot
Contributor
I had that done to me 3 years ago. I let mine fester for a week and get infected so they HAD to cut it out the first time I showed up.

I just remember it hurt like a mofo and bled like a stuck pig.
 

ACowboyinTexas

Armed and Dangerous
pilot
Contributor
Bevo, Great story. And as far as military medicine goes, aviators probably have the gold-plated plan. I've never really had much trouble just calling the flight surgeon, though I acknowledge that it's getting tougher to go direct. Being CSO helped lately. I agree that Lortabs work a peach for the pain - just had knee surgery - but the damn things kept me awake all night! Go figure.
The admin part of my knee surgery was pretty AFU too, but at least it's over. One highlight; Trying to kill time after being told that my surgery wasn't until 1400, so "go kill some time and come back in around 1200." Get a phone call at 1130 while checking the ammo stock at Academy, "Uh, Sir? Do you realize you're supposed to be having surgery today?" "Yep, I was told to come back in at noon." Well, we're all here waiting for ya." Priceless. Going back for a post-op tomorrow. Can't wait to see what confusion ensues...
 

MasterBates

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I had a similar problem today.. NS Norfolk, probably the largest Navy base in the fucking world, I can't get an appointment for a specialist without going through a hospital on the other side of the city.

But today's problem? Getting a prescription filled. I take an antiviral drug off and on that I have been on for years (you've seen the ads on TV). I take a non-standard dose, because it's how I can take it in a manner that actually works and I stay within NOMI's limits for the medicine without going med down.

I have been on this specific dosage for YEARS. Like since 2003.

I go to get prescription filled. A pregnant HM3 with none of the FMF/Iraq stuff. "Sir, this is not the standard dose, I need to change it for you".

Fucking HM3 trying to overrule a MD. I explain WHY I am on a non-standard dose. Then the civillian lady who is the supervisor goes there and tells me "this is not standard treatment protocol, I can't fill this". I then explain same to her. She still REFUSES to fill it. I call doc. Doc explains it to them that it is NOT a typo, that I am on a non-standard regimen due to my size (dosage is based off a 180 pound male, I weigh 250-260) and flight status. Basic normal treatment is 2 pills taken twice a day for 1 day. I take 1 pill 3 times a day for 2 days.

Pharma-bitch is STILL balking AFTER saying OK to my doc. I bring up my CO's phone number in my cell, don't hit send and basically tell her SHE can explain to my CO why I'm going to be med-down, after being told by an MD/FS that the dosage she ordered for me is appropriate.

2+ hours just to get a prescription that I take regularly. And need a couple days worth of on hand at all times. I finally got it filled, but their system will only let me have 1 refill due to "protocol" and I only get 2 "events" worth per refill.

This, is the future of ObamaCare I'm afraid.

Nevermind I've been waiting 2 weeks for A FUCKING X-Ray. (non-emergency, they just want to see how my feet are healing)
 

A4sForever

BTDT OLD GUY
pilot
Contributor
Navy Medicine ... Sucks a big one.
Hmmmmmmmmm ....

...... your story makes one wonder how today's version of the 'what goes on cruise -- stays on cruise shot', a.k.a. 'the 'Silver Bullet' ... a.k.a. 'the Officer is sick-in-quarters shot' ... might play out in today's Naval Medical establishment ... :eek::D

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MasterBates

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As one who has gotten that shot recently-

About 4 hours at medical, 12 hour grounding and shuffled between Preventative Medicine, the lab, the doc, the lab again, PM again, then another shot, then a 1/2 hour wait at the pharmacy for the proper follow up pills.
 

MasterBates

Well-Known Member
Oh, and it's now a HUGE friggin injection, a shake mix of more antibiotics that makes you want to yak when you drink it (can't it come in GRAPE vice Puke?) and more pills to take at home when you are not going anywhere for a while.
 

PropAddict

Now with even more awesome!
pilot
Contributor
There always seems to be a bowl of free condoms out front at our little Navy Med Spa here.:D

An ounce of prevention. . .

Don't be a fool, wrap your tool!;)
 

Bevo16

Registered User
pilot
Bevo, Great story. .

Well, it depends on your definition of "great". On my end, it kind of sucked. I get your meaning though.

After the HM2 BAMF gave me the game plan for sticking me with needles and ripping my toe nail out, he asks with a smile "How does that sound?"....Ha. Well doc, it sounds pretty fucking horrible to tell you the truth. But let's get it done.


I had my own little SNAFU at the pharmacy on Monday. I go to pick up my bottle of 800mg motrin, to have the HM3 (sans medals/experience/clue) tell me that he can't find the order in the system. This was not shocking because the HM2 that put it in was having some trouble with the new computer system. Seeing how that guy is a fucking war hero, get gets a lot of slack. I tell the pharmacy guy the name of the HM2 that wrote it up and he calls him. They get it figured out and say that it will be 20 minutes or so for the order to make it's way through. No problem, I need a haircut and I go get that taken care of.

Post haircut, I go back to the pharmacy (located 15 feet from the barber shop in the NEX) to see if my pills are ready. Nope. The doctor has to sign off on the motrin, and he has not gotten around to it yet. The HM3 makes the mistake of telling me that the "best thing for YOU to do" is to go back to medical "in an hour or so" and remind them. The look on the kid's face while he was forming those words was funny. I didn't even say anything before he followed it up with, "I'll just call back over and see if they can speed it up." About 10 minutes later (over an hour into the evolution) I had my motrin.

While I was waiting, one of the retirees took the time (he had plenty) to enlighten me on crap that they have to go through to get their prescriptions. Even though there is a full service pharmacy in Millington, they can't fill prescription re-fills. The orders have to be placed by phone or on line with the pharmacy in Pensacola, where they are filled. Then, the prescriptions are sent Fed-Ex to Millington's pharmacy where they have to come sit in line for an hour to pick them up. The idea of just filling them at the local pharmacy (that the taxpayer is paying to maintain and operate) or having FedEx take them directly to the patient (they are shipping them anyway) has not occurred to anyone with in charge.

I am willing to be that this totally retarded system is someone's lead fit-rep bullet.
 

C420sailor

Former Rhino Bro
pilot
It's such a stupid system.

The lack of sick call is a joke. I caught a nasty bug a few weeks ago the night before a flight. I had a fever, bad congestion, whole deal. I went in to the clinic the next morning and got told about the 'no sick call' policy. The next available appointment was the following day, so I had to call my onwing and not safe the flight. Whatever.

The bitch of it was when I was ready to go again. Instead of just popping in during sick call, saying 'hey doc, I'm good' and getting my upchit in about two minutes flat, I had to make another appointment which took another two days. An appointment is really required to get an upchit signed without an exam? Ridiculous.
 

mmx1

Woof!
pilot
Contributor
BTDT on the nail (broken thumb, turned blue and swelled at a visible rate, got the nail plucked out with forceps in the ER with copious painkillers). Watching the gnarly thing grow back was quite fun, too.

The standard redneck healing method is to heat up a needle and stick it through the nail so the blood can come out. I didn't feel like doing that and wanted a professional to handle it.

Funny thing is, my flight doc did exactly that when he dropped a weight on his toe at home. He didn't want to drive into work to get the right tools, so he sterilized a needle with a blowtorch and drove it in. He even managed to time the 3-foot blood spray for exactly when his wife walked in.
 
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