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Plebe Hazing
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Thisguy
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HerrLURP said:
It's a training mechanism. People don't lead by screaming in the fleet. If you can carry out directions, say, a drill move you've been shown 2 minutes ago with a gunny in your face and spit flying everywhere, you're learning to block out the stress. Meanwhile, there are guys who forget their names when a gunny is yelling at them.
usunkmybship
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"I do know one thing, you'd never see a marine posting crap like this. Grow some balls, or go airforce"
Ouch
well as for the discussion we'll see what happens when we get there:/ I was also concerned about the hazing but they are cutting it down.
Ouch
well as for the discussion we'll see what happens when we get there:/ I was also concerned about the hazing but they are cutting it down.
usunkmybship
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Do you now what real hazing is? It has nothing to do with yelling.
I see that no USNA grads have decided to jump in here, probably wiser than me. I am a glutton for punishment and have been really bored at work lately (what do you do when your squadron is going away) so I will wade into this discussion again.
The original question about hazing hasn't really been answered yet. Hazing at any of the Academies has officially not been tolerated for a long time. Unofficially, I have heard very little from the many alumni that I work with that would come remotely close to hazing. There will probably be isolated incidents here and there but it is rare nowadays for that to happen. There are many factors including stricter rules and oversight and a general intolerance of it on all levels. The USNA's proximity to DC and all of it's politicians and media add even another level of scrutiny that you do not find at the other academies.
Physical hazing is very rare in any military organization today. I have seen the effects of it firsthand at my school on a small scale (I went to the Citadel) and it serves absolutely no purpose, it is just stupid. There is still a lot of yelling in any basic trianing (yes, even from 21 year old middies, GYSGT's aren't the only ones who can yell) but that is to add stress to the situation. Combat is stressful and needs quick reactions and obedience, which basic training is suppose to start to prepare you for.
As for your first post Integer, do you realize how you came across? To have a high school junior state that his contemporaries are much better than those who went to Annapolis in the years before comes across as extremely arrogant. How do even know if you haven't even attended the school yet? Wait and see how it is when and if you get there, there is no guarantee that you will go to any of the academies in the first place.
The original question about hazing hasn't really been answered yet. Hazing at any of the Academies has officially not been tolerated for a long time. Unofficially, I have heard very little from the many alumni that I work with that would come remotely close to hazing. There will probably be isolated incidents here and there but it is rare nowadays for that to happen. There are many factors including stricter rules and oversight and a general intolerance of it on all levels. The USNA's proximity to DC and all of it's politicians and media add even another level of scrutiny that you do not find at the other academies.
Physical hazing is very rare in any military organization today. I have seen the effects of it firsthand at my school on a small scale (I went to the Citadel) and it serves absolutely no purpose, it is just stupid. There is still a lot of yelling in any basic trianing (yes, even from 21 year old middies, GYSGT's aren't the only ones who can yell) but that is to add stress to the situation. Combat is stressful and needs quick reactions and obedience, which basic training is suppose to start to prepare you for.
As for your first post Integer, do you realize how you came across? To have a high school junior state that his contemporaries are much better than those who went to Annapolis in the years before comes across as extremely arrogant. How do even know if you haven't even attended the school yet? Wait and see how it is when and if you get there, there is no guarantee that you will go to any of the academies in the first place.
topcuda152
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Roger That!!
Lol
I said:
[Q]As for changing policies, one could argue that many generations ago, the college accepted everybody and midshipmen drank, partied, and caused havoc all the time. Now, the people that the the college attracts are hard-working individuals who want to be secluded to study and shape themselves for four years. (Well, not really secluded.) So, the argument that can be made is that with these new future officers starting their 'careers' here who are aware about the situation they will be in--ones who can actually follow directions and not go crazy--WHY should the navy go as tough on them as they did on the drunk hooligans who ran amock many years ago?[/Q]
and HerrLURP said:
[Q]I think the Academy is better off this way...I never quite understood how yelling and screaming at someone was supposed to motivate them to want to follow you, except out of fear. Now upperclassmen have to be more creative and inspire the young'uns in a much more professional, "lead by example," fashion.[/Q]
I meant the same thing he said. I said drunks and hooligans because that's what many famous midshipmen of the past were (as teenagers.) When you named some of those people, you actually proved my point.
To be PC, I added that future midshipmen don't have to drink or be hooligans to be successful and possibly even do greater things incomparable to the great things of the past! (It's not just PC, it's true.) I don't want to gloralize drinking just because McCain happened to do it when it was the norm to do it. So what? We all know that they were drunks and hooligans, to put it as shortly as possible. But it doesn't mean we can't have smart, good leaders who are also not hooligans and not drunks, right?
I said:
[Q]As for changing policies, one could argue that many generations ago, the college accepted everybody and midshipmen drank, partied, and caused havoc all the time. Now, the people that the the college attracts are hard-working individuals who want to be secluded to study and shape themselves for four years. (Well, not really secluded.) So, the argument that can be made is that with these new future officers starting their 'careers' here who are aware about the situation they will be in--ones who can actually follow directions and not go crazy--WHY should the navy go as tough on them as they did on the drunk hooligans who ran amock many years ago?[/Q]
and HerrLURP said:
[Q]I think the Academy is better off this way...I never quite understood how yelling and screaming at someone was supposed to motivate them to want to follow you, except out of fear. Now upperclassmen have to be more creative and inspire the young'uns in a much more professional, "lead by example," fashion.[/Q]
I meant the same thing he said. I said drunks and hooligans because that's what many famous midshipmen of the past were (as teenagers.) When you named some of those people, you actually proved my point.
To be PC, I added that future midshipmen don't have to drink or be hooligans to be successful and possibly even do greater things incomparable to the great things of the past! (It's not just PC, it's true.) I don't want to gloralize drinking just because McCain happened to do it when it was the norm to do it. So what? We all know that they were drunks and hooligans, to put it as shortly as possible. But it doesn't mean we can't have smart, good leaders who are also not hooligans and not drunks, right?
usunkmybship
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I figure McCain and I guess those other officers must have been very socialable and popular among people. You know how some troublemakers tend to have lots of friends, those kinds in high school.
There's nothing like high schoolers discussing the values of American naval heroes....isnt' this a great country?
Here's a thought, don't get so caught up in one school etc that you miss out on the rest of your life. And what in the hell is a Pre-Appointee???
Here's a thought, don't get so caught up in one school etc that you miss out on the rest of your life. And what in the hell is a Pre-Appointee???
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