Ouch...I was kind of hoping for an expeditionary JO tour...I suppose it could still happen.
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Ouch...I was kind of hoping for an expeditionary JO tour...I suppose it could still happen.
That's a good question, here are some thoughts. Backseat of a Prowler can be effectively run with one competent operator, a jet (in general) can be run by one competent pilot. Add things that the EF didn't have like HARM, radar, comm jammers, satellite downlink = more people to do a superior EA job. We had a USAF EF guy in our squadron and he never talked about the EF being better, or anything of the sort. I can't speak as to what role the EFs played in the strike group, but I know that the Prowlers are usually at the tip of the spear, calling the initial shots of the A/G war, usually without the comfort of a dedicated escort.
Brett
Harrier Dude
Living the dream
That would read "Fast start to in-the-middle, All Fvcked Up in-the middle, Too much power in-close to at-the ramp............OK, which is the best possible pass (which you'd never get with those comments, but it was a joke about "whatever" the guy was doing to/with the female SWO in the LSO shack)
FAW=Fast all-the-way. Self expanatory with the same joke.
NavyLonghorn
Registered User
Yeah. In the P-3 world, the commments go like this.
NL3P, IGBHT
It means.. Nice Landing 3P, Im going back to the hotel.
NL3P, IGBHT
It means.. Nice Landing 3P, Im going back to the hotel.
No you're not ... you're a helo-driver ... if you were "one" of the brotherhood ... you'd speak the dialect. And know the shorthand ...
MasterBates
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A4s,
We have LSOs. I am a designated LSO on the USS Vicksburg, USS Anzio, and USS Klakring. Plus, I have a command letter that is usable for short duration cruises, as long as it is OK with the ship CO.
Yes, helo LSO is a different animal the fixed wing, I will admit.
We have LSOs. I am a designated LSO on the USS Vicksburg, USS Anzio, and USS Klakring. Plus, I have a command letter that is usable for short duration cruises, as long as it is OK with the ship CO.
Yes, helo LSO is a different animal the fixed wing, I will admit.
Harrier Dude
Living the dream
Your qual is good for only specific ships? The ships CO has the say-so on who's running the show? I don't know how your end works, so sorry if this sounds stupid. Just curious.
Our qual is from the MAG or MEU CO and is constant no matter what ship you're on. I rarely, if ever, talk to the ships CO about anything. I deal with the Boss.
Our qual is from the MAG or MEU CO and is constant no matter what ship you're on. I rarely, if ever, talk to the ships CO about anything. I deal with the Boss.
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This one was "jacked" awhile back and then "jacked" again....it will likely morph into a Chuck Norris thread any post now
NavyLonghorn
Registered User
The jet guys get threated if we talk about life in the Navy other then Top Gun and carrier landing. Assume all threads will move back to one of those two topics.
Now /where/ is my sunscreen?
Now /where/ is my sunscreen?
My understanding has still been that the USAF was losing interest in the "beeps and squeaks" realm and instead focusing on stealth... the lesson learned from an F-117 being shot down by an Vietnam era SA-3 caused them to rethink that philosophy.
I don't have the bandwidth to split the thread right now, so if someone else wants to send it on its way, be my guest.
@Harrier Dude:
It's a dual qual. First, it's a Natops qual, so it lives in your NATOPS jacket and is signed by your CO. There are a few differences between east and west coast wings (the radio callsign "Paddles" vs "Deck", for example), but there's an allowance to bounce and fly w/ guys from different wings. All it takes is an email (or 20). When you get on the ship, for some reason, the CO of the ship likes to designate you for his ship. You can bounce birds on a ship w/out the letter (like doing DLQs for workups/training), but for deployment, there's supposed to be a second letter. I don't remember why this is, but it is, and I moved on. Your LSO qual is for all ships, so even if I qual'ed on a FFG, I can go land/straighten birds on a CG.
@Harrier Dude:
It's a dual qual. First, it's a Natops qual, so it lives in your NATOPS jacket and is signed by your CO. There are a few differences between east and west coast wings (the radio callsign "Paddles" vs "Deck", for example), but there's an allowance to bounce and fly w/ guys from different wings. All it takes is an email (or 20). When you get on the ship, for some reason, the CO of the ship likes to designate you for his ship. You can bounce birds on a ship w/out the letter (like doing DLQs for workups/training), but for deployment, there's supposed to be a second letter. I don't remember why this is, but it is, and I moved on. Your LSO qual is for all ships, so even if I qual'ed on a FFG, I can go land/straighten birds on a CG.
They were worried about EA support from the start. We hardly got to use our Prowlers in Desert Storm because of continual "draft" to support 117 ops even though we were in the Red Sea. What's that tell you about EF-111 vs EA-6B?