freshy said:f-14's have ejection seats.
The only thing the v-22 is gonna be "neat" for, is transport. In my opinion we could have put the billions of dollars somewhere else. C-130s are doing fine in that realm. The Osprey was originally designed to be some kinda ch-46 replacement to land in LZ's and get there quick. And I agree it will be neat if that's all the Navy/Marine corps wants it for. But in a hot LZ or any other combat situation you would be better off in the 46 probably or a Huey for that matter. Too bad if you descend too fast the v-22 flips on its back and everyone onboard dies. Oh yeah, and you can't put a friggin door gunner on the thing because you'll shoot one of your nacelles off. And if you are so unfortunate to be one of the Marines unloading in a hot LZ, everyone has to stand up and file out the back slowly, two by two just like in the 46.
It'll be your luck that YOU'LL select the Osprey out of Primary.
E5B said:You have no idea what you are talking about! Sounds like the same TBS propaganda I heard at TBS and API. Let me guess, you did your research based on the liberal media, who of course hates the Osprey. Get a clue and be a little more open minded...
It'll be your luck that YOU'LL select the Osprey out of Primary.
phrogdriver said:I dare say that nearly 100% of the most severe critics have never even stood inside a static aircraft, much less operated out of it. EVERY unit and observer who has actually ridden in or operated in the thing has been abolutely blown away by the capabilities. For example, one of the beefs in the media has been that it has too much rotorwash to FAST rope out of. All the Marines who've roped out of it say it's the best, most stable platform they've ever seen.
It has some shortcomings, the gun being perhaps the most noticable. However, don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. This thing is lightyears ahead of everything else out there. To those who say you'll never see a cold-LZ in real life, you're high. MOST LZ's are cold. An insert into a hot LZ means something's gone wrong. Medevacs will go into hot LZs, but this means you're surrounded by friendlies and won't be lighting it up with .50 anyway. This isn't to say it never happens, but get Apocalypse Now out of your minds. The job is to counter threats, and I'd say that speed and stealth will probably be more effective for an assault aircraft than a gun 90% of the time.
Ya'll should be fortunate enough to select this bird.
phrogdriver said:I dare say that nearly 100% of the most severe critics have never even stood inside a static aircraft, much less operated out of it. EVERY unit and observer who has actually ridden in or operated in the thing has been abolutely blown away by the capabilities. For example, one of the beefs in the media has been that it has too much rotorwash to FAST rope out of. All the Marines who've roped out of it say it's the best, most stable platform they've ever seen.
It has some shortcomings, the gun being perhaps the most noticable. However, don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. This thing is lightyears ahead of everything else out there. To those who say you'll never see a cold-LZ in real life, you're high. MOST LZ's are cold. An insert into a hot LZ means something's gone wrong. Medevacs will go into hot LZs, but this means you're surrounded by friendlies and won't be lighting it up with .50 anyway. This isn't to say it never happens, but get Apocalypse Now out of your minds. The job is to counter threats, and I'd say that speed and stealth will probably be more effective for an assault aircraft than a gun 90% of the time.
Ya'll should be fortunate enough to select this bird.
phrogdriver said:No, it's currently not pressurized in back. However, remember that the time limits above 10K are for aircrew, not pax. The aircrew do get O2 via masks. Most fit people can stay from 10-13K almost indefinitely without ill effects; the 10K rule is a very conservative number for the special demands on aircrew. However, we would like to eventually be able to fly a lot higher, though, so some pressurization would be great. Maybe Boeing will help us out with the later.
Oh yeah, to go back to a couple of earlier posts. The aircraft usually flies with 4, but it usually doesn't need that many guys, so you may see the usual crew go to 3.
The other weird point someone raised was that it uses a ramp, like a 46. How else do 24 Marines get out of an aircraft? Though the damn windows? Sliding doors are fine for a Huey with 4 guys, but for a larger bird, ramps are the fastest way out. Also keep in mind that this is a naval bird that has to take shipboard cargo via forklift. Aircraft with sliding doors can't take forklift cargo while turning. A small detail, but believe me its a big deal during ambhibious resupply.
Also, EVERY helo can be subject to vortex ring state during slow a/s, high rt of descent. The V-22 is the only bird that warns you before you enter it.