SELRES_AMDO
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I knew an LT that went to NJP for a DUI. I thought he must have left the Navy. A few years later I saw his name on the LCDR board results.
Typical reaction to shoot the messenger here. It's important to be honest with the OP, and I can see that some of you forgot to read the part where I said "depending on the circumstances of the NJP."
However any given CO might feel, the board is going to see it, and they're not likely to give that individual a pass.
If anyone here has first hand knowledge of someone who was selected for STA-21 with an NJP on their record, I'm all ears, but I'm doubtful that happens much, if ever.
There was a guy in my OCS class, late 1998, going through to be an NFO and was a prior-E aircrewman (I don't remember what rate). His side of the story was something about writing a downing gripe on an airplane but one of the maintenance CPOs overriding it; he heard the side number call outbound on the radio and was surprised, lost his temper, and punched the Chief. He went to NJP for whatever Article you get charged with for punching a CPO when you're a Petty Officer. Again, that was his side of the story. Couldn't tell you the rest of the details or timing because I never found them out.If anyone here has first hand knowledge of someone who was selected for STA-21 with an NJP on their record, I'm all ears, but I'm doubtful that happens much, if ever.
I knew an LT that went to NJP for a DUI. I thought he must have left the Navy. A few years later I saw his name on the LCDR board results.
Read his words again. He didn't say anything about "zero defect mentality." Brett can be a real Cck Scker, I know, I get that. But until you've been in the seat, you should think about what he's saying here. The number of people who submit officer packages far exceeds those that actually have the record and performance to eventually succeed. CO's have a very small number of people they can recommend, who do you think they should pick?no it’s not typical reaction of shooting the messenger. That’s not shooting the messenger unless you’re referring to yourself as the messenger of your own thoughts.
Your exact words were:
“... as a CO, would have a very hard time recommending anyone with an NJP in their record for any officer program”
So you expect a zero defect mentality from everyone. Which is exactly the problem.
I forgot about this gem, a fellow CPO who was selected for LDO and liked to drink, he went out drinking, drove back on to base and somehow the gate guard let him in, he then passed out in his truck missed the entire day of work and woke up around 3 pm or so, and it was swept under the rug.
fast forward 6 months or so later and he is now an Ensign and member of an oversight team, we were talking one day and then my LPO asks me how I know him and I tell him, he says he runs into him everyday at the package store as he is picking up 2-6 packs each day.
I then asked my LPO what he was doing in the package store every day! Turns out he had some family issues that had started, we got him some assistance and back on track, he ended up retiring as a CWO3 or CWO4.
Read his words again. He didn't say anything about "zero defect mentality." Brett can be a real Cck Scker, I know, I get that. But until you've been in the seat, you should think about what he's saying here. The number of people who submit officer packages far exceeds those that actually have the record and performance to eventually succeed. CO's have a very small number of people they can recommend, who do you think they should pick?
I think they should select the ones with the most potential to succeed in the Navy. Maybe it's just me, but I never felt that NJP should be an automatic career ender. If someone got a DUI or some other type of infraction for being young and dumb and showed that they learned their lesson then I think they warrant consideration for future service with increased leadership.Read his words again. He didn't say anything about "zero defect mentality." Brett can be a real Cck Scker, I know, I get that. But until you've been in the seat, you should think about what he's saying here. The number of people who submit officer packages far exceeds those that actually have the record and performance to eventually succeed. CO's have a very small number of people they can recommend, who do you think they should pick?
But he didn't say that. Said he would "have a very hard time". I could just as well assume you wouldn't take into account NJP when reviewing an app for COs endorsement, thereby unfairly discounting the good conduct of other candidates. But that isn't what you said. Am I right?Saying you wouldn’t recommend any enlisted due to a previous NJP is the literally the perfect example of a zero defect mentality.
This....until you've been in the seat
Saying you wouldn’t recommend any enlisted due to a previous NJP is the literally the perfect example of a zero defect mentality.
You mean you actually had the temerity to make a tough call, use judgement and make someone, well, SAD. How dare you.I've also been the person that tells Sailors who aren't ready to be an officer that they're not ready and need to come back next year when they've matured a bit.
Haters gonna hate. Sometimes, the word no is the correct choice.You mean you actually had the temerity to make a tough call, use judgement and make someone, well, SAD. How dare you.
@Brett327 makes good points in his later posts.But he didn't say that. Said he would "have a very hard time". I could just as well assume you wouldn't take into account NJP when reviewing an app for COs endorsement, thereby unfairly discounting the good conduct of other candidates. But that isn't what you said. Am I right?
I did it, so.....I know at least one guy.Typical reaction to shoot the messenger here. It's important to be honest with the OP, and I can see that some of you forgot to read the part where I said "depending on the circumstances of the NJP."
However any given CO might feel, the board is going to see it, and they're not likely to give that individual a pass.
If anyone here has first hand knowledge of someone who was selected for STA-21 with an NJP on their record, I'm all ears, but I'm doubtful that happens much, if ever.