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New E-1 to E-6 Service Uniform

What do you think of these concepts?


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Flash

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nittany03 said:
Navy dress uniforms have probably been around just as long as the Marines' . . . If I'm not mistaken our Dress Blue pattern dates from the 1920s or 1930s sometime, and the Dress Whites are even older. Not sure about the enlisted side. That said, you're right, and I personally hope Task Force Uniform doesn't go anywhere NEAR there . . .

I always thought the guys who complained about wearing the choker whites were wussies, to put it lightly. You wear it 2 or 3 times a year if you are lucky and it is a hell of a lot more comfortable than what I wore in college. I would be very disappointed if they thought about getting rid of them (yes, I have heard a rumor or two).

I have heard rumors of trying to bring back dress khakis, which they got rid of in the early seventies. Personally, I think it would not be too bad of an idea, it does just add another uniform though. I just wish they were keeping the aviator greens, I actually have a pair. I just hope they don't bring back these for winter dress uniforms :icon_wink .

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h47000/h47298.jpg
 

zab1001

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Flash said:
I just wish they were keeping the aviator greens, I actually have a pair.

What? They're getting rid of them??? I finally get to a command where I can wear them and now they're going away??? Say it ain't so Flash!
 

Flash

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zab1001 said:
What? They're getting rid of them??? I finally get to a command where I can wear them and now they're going away??? Say it ain't so Flash!

Sorry to say, but it is. Here is the quote and link.

The Navy Working Uniform is being designed to take the place of utilities, wash khaki, coveralls, woodland green, aviation green, winter working blue and tropical working uniforms.

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,FL_navy_101804,00.html
 

towbubba

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u.s.av8r said:
What drunk general decided that khaki shirts with blue pants - not to mention a red stripe - look good??
C'mon people, who's with me here!
That is a Blood Stripe not a "red stripe" and it is worn to commemorate the battle of Chapultapec where NCO's and SNCO's had a higher mortality rate than the non rates they where leading. As far as the collar most agree that this was added to symbolize the leather piece that was worn by Marines to protect against sword wounds from their enemies. Hence the term "leatherneck". You also have to consider the CDI factor of the Corps uniforms Chicks Dig It. :icon_wink
 

PhathomThat

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I've seen several changes in the Navy enlisted uniform over the years. I wore the "CPO-style" uniform when I first enlisted in '77. Back then dungarees consisted of a medium blue shirt and dark blue trousers. The buttons were larger than you saw on the "Seafarer" uniform (chambray shirt and bell bottom jeans). The pockets were sewn on the outside. Seafarers were an optional uniform and not part of issue.

I didn't think they looked very "Navy" then. The seafarers, while not perfect, were a great working uniform. The old dungarees were tougher though. I knew one second class who had a set where the threads holding the pockets on had deteriorated and he had then re-sewn on and kept a good working uniform. They were comfortable and durable.

Onboard ship, I would tear pants pretty regularly on piping flanges or lagging cover straps as I moved through the spaces. (I'm a Machinst's Mate.) One time, during casualty training, I jumped to the third rung of a ladder from the deck at a full run and I split my seafarer pants from the crotch to my knee. That was a fabric tear and not a seam tear. I was in-spec fitness-wise. I grew up on a farm and I'm a big guy. Safety-wise, I guess it's good to be able to have something that will rip off if it gets caught in machinery.

My point is that no matter what uniform is chosen, it is going to get soiled, oiled, greased, ripped, torn, and beat on.

I don't like the idea of E1-E6 wearing khaki. That just seems wrong. Leave that for the chiefs and O-gangers.

I was still in when the current working uniform was issued. I felt like I was joining the Air Force. Collar devices seem out-of-place for an enlisted working uniform as well. It's just something else to have to keep track of when you should be focused on your job.

BDU-style has its place. We all know it can be an impressive uniform when worn right. If we went to that style, I would want to see BDU trousers and an appropriate T-shirt when someone is doing maintenance or standing watch in a hot area (like an engine room or digging into a hydraulic system out on a hot tarmac). But, with the military bearing of some officers, I could see men and women wearing the BDU top as well by command requirement. So you ruin shirt and trousers instead of just the trousers when your shipmate loses control of that grease gun!! I have to admit, I would have torn BDU-pants a lot more often in an engineroom that I did seafarer pants.

One uniform we used to have that was very popular was the summer white shirt, and black trousers. It was more comfortable than summer whites, and you didn't have the problem of staining you have with the summer white trousers. But they did require dry cleaning.

I agree with everyone here that the uniform styles shown so far don't seem to fit. There has to be a way to find a uniform that is uniquely "Navy", that is durable, comfortable, and looks good regardless of a person's body shape.

Why don't we have a contest where members of the fleet can submit ideas and sketches? Then have the best submittals go through this kind of acceptance testing.
 

Godspeed

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As long as I can still "squeeze" in to my choker whites everyday after I get off duty i'll be happy. I know ZAB feels the same way :-D
 

nateb

I knew it. I'm surrounded by a**holes!
If I were to go back to wearing enlisted uniforms I would not be sad in the least to see the whites go. Yes even the Summer Dress Whites. Maintaining a white uniform at any time is just more trouble than it's worth. Being required to wear them aboard ship in certain situations just magnifies this problem. As for the Winter Blue, while I think the uniform looks sharp, and I am one of those nerds who actually enjoys wearing a tie, at least 90% of the sailors I have served with in the past 8 years have detested the tie.

I agree with the necessity of replacing two seasonal service uniforms with one year-round uniform. I also agree with previous posters that they probably could have come up with something better. Unfortunately when you answered the survey they conducted a few years ago the questions all asked whether you were satisfied with current uniforms. Then it asked of other branches' uniforms which you preferred. This would probably explain why the uniforms so closely resemble the uniforms of our sister services.

If I had to choose between the two, I would go with the khaki.

I also think the Navy should work on making E1-E6 and E7-O10 uniforms more similar. I do believe we are the service with the most obvious difference between junior and senior uniform appearance (not sure about the Coast Guard on that one). I don't agree with this.
 
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