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New E-1 to E-6 Service Uniform
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"My job is to eat Jello"
Only a Marine couldn't tell the difference between the proposed uniform, with black pants, and the Marine uniform. In the from the '40s into the '60s Navy officers worn khaki shirts with a uniform that look much like the Marine uniform. The Navy wore black ties, the Marines khaki.
Falcaner
DCA "Don't give up the ship"
Dear god those things look awfull. I am not sure which one looks worse. I think the idea behind the new utilites isn't bad i wouldn't mid a new working unifrom, but this is just plain stupid. And i really dont like the idea of a kaki shirt. Like a few people have said it look like the dam marines.
Please tell me this, for those of you that have seen the proposed blue cammies. WHY IN THE HELL DO SAILORS NEED BLUE CAMO?, so they can blend in with the grey decks of the ship?
Please tell me there is a reasonable explanation for this, and its not just some lame attempt at naval fashion.
Please tell me there is a reasonable explanation for this, and its not just some lame attempt at naval fashion.
Thisguy
Pain-in-the-dick
Godspeed said:
Why did the air force guys in the Kadena airport wear (green) cammies when they were checking my bags? Why do MAs wear green cammies on a ship? Why did my class drill instructor at OCS wear cammies? He wasn't trying to hide from us.
You see a trend in my examples, the cammies aren't always used to camoflauge oneself, rather it's a uniform with a military feel, vice a jiffy lube one.
Sandwichwarrior
Hauling ass so others don't have to.
Compromise
Personally I like the Idea of swapping over to BDUs. A lot of sailors, myself included, wear Green cammies (or at least parts of them) on the flight deck and I'd take them over Utilities any day. Unfortunatly it seems that most senior guys (Chiefs and O's) are against it.
Would a solid Blue or Gray BDU be an acceptable compromise?
maybe with an optional Khaki for E-7 and up.
Godspeed said:
Personally I like the Idea of swapping over to BDUs. A lot of sailors, myself included, wear Green cammies (or at least parts of them) on the flight deck and I'd take them over Utilities any day. Unfortunatly it seems that most senior guys (Chiefs and O's) are against it.
Would a solid Blue or Gray BDU be an acceptable compromise?
maybe with an optional Khaki for E-7 and up.
I see and understand all of your points. I am getting at the fact that various BDUs were developed for the army (both desert and jungle) so they can blend in to their environment. Same for the marines. The air force? Well I have no idea what in the hell their motives are for anything, so I won't even comment there.
These cammies have always been designed so that soldiers and marines can blend in to their combat environment, when they are deployed in such theatres. Sailors for the most part are shipboard, or at ports, where there are no forests, or sand boxes to hide in. Aside from the painting point, I don't really understand the practical application of blue camoflauge.
These cammies have always been designed so that soldiers and marines can blend in to their combat environment, when they are deployed in such theatres. Sailors for the most part are shipboard, or at ports, where there are no forests, or sand boxes to hide in. Aside from the painting point, I don't really understand the practical application of blue camoflauge.
airpirate25
Grape Ape...Grape Ape
I think the use of cammies by MA's and other shipboard personnel is directly related to a general trend in the Navy and Air Force to feel more "military". I know most of the O's on my ship (myself included) didn't see the necessity, but I have to admit that the MA's looked better and generally carried themselves like tough minded security personnel instead of "jemmy-legs". All services have their traditions, and sometimes they can be bent (the flight deck issue is a great example), but not broken. I'm not a Marine, and unless my duties take me into a ground combat experience, I can't see the justification for wearing BDU's. Making a general shipboard BDU uniform is complicated because of our own tradition of wearing khakis as CPO's and officers. Any radical change is hard without stepping on someone's toes.
First, one of the things that make the MC Dress blues so awesome is the TRADITION that has gone into them. Personally I don't want to walk around looking like Spock or Scotty if they try to "update" the dress uniforms. Second, utilities are second in comfort only to the flight suit as far as uniforms go. Maybe I'm a bit biased though....
Both those uniforms are silly, though the blue one at least looks Navy-esque. I hope they keep the blue and white crackerjacks--they may be goofy, but the tradition is important. I hope they also keep the Dixie cup hat--the black ones (esp with working blues) make the sailor look as if he's attending an SS rally.
As far as "cammies" go--if you get enough paint on coveralls to ruin them, then that paint is still going to look like crap on a gray/blue pattern.
As far as "cammies" go--if you get enough paint on coveralls to ruin them, then that paint is still going to look like crap on a gray/blue pattern.
mrtorso11 said:
Navy dress uniforms have probably been around just as long as the Marines' . . . If I'm not mistaken our Dress Blue pattern dates from the 1920s or 1930s sometime, and the Dress Whites are even older. Not sure about the enlisted side. That said, you're right, and I personally hope Task Force Uniform doesn't go anywhere NEAR there . . .
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