I definitely know about that pain....Cyclic said:which sucks because 50% of them will not screen for DH!!!
BigIron said:If it does come to fruition, it will certainly bring changes to Navy Helo aviation.
phrogdriver said:Second, why are we s**tcanning ensigns and LTJGs at the cyclic rate, only to bring in warrants as pilots?
Broadsword2004 said:Just wondering, but why is the Navy doing this (if it is); isn't the Navy reducing its size?
I've read before that 1981 was the year the last NAP retired but when I was deployed to Misawa in 1985, there was a Chief there wearing pilot wings. He was a station C-1 pilot and the last active duty NAP. He said over beers that he had turned down multiple offers of a commission (the last as a LCDR) so that the last NAP would retire as an enlisted man and end the era "properly".A4sForever said:There was a Chief in Meridian when I went through Basic Jet @ 1970 who was a NAP. He worked at base ops and was one of several "Flying Chiefs" left on active duty at the time. The last NAP on active duty retired from the service in 1981 .....
In my first squadron (1985-89) we had an AW LDO LT and an AW CWO4 who were both TACCOs and NFOs. They were the only ones I ever met and were part of an experiment. Both were kind of pissed off because they were denied follow-on squadron flight crew orders and instead pushed off into the tradional AW LDO/CWO career path. In fact, there was talk of taking the NFO wings back gaving them Observer wings since they did not complete the normal training pipeline but were awarded NFO after TACCO qualifying. They got to keep the NFO wings but both retired without ever flying TACCO again after leaving the squadron.Brett327 said:Any VPers please check in on this one. I seem to remember talk of a program in the late 90s that would take AW LDOs and basically make them P-3 NFOs. It's like Jez to TACCO instead of Seaman to Admiral. Did this ever materialize?
Brett
HAL Pilot said:I've read before that 1981 was the year the last NAP retired but when I was deployed to Misawa in 1985.....
I don't know. We saw him walking accross the ramp in gunfighters and were shocked to see a Chief with pilot wings. Since it was 16beer30 we dragged him to the BOQ bar and asked him about it. Could be that he was a great BSer but he seem to have all the right answers. Only met him that one time and I don't remeber his name. He was a Master Chief though.A4sForever said:Hmmmm .... I dunno, HAL .... I wonder. Was his name "Jones" ?? .......Soooooo ..... maybe your Misawa guy had a few too many beers when describing his exploits ???
My TACCO was a prior SS3 with 20 plus years in, and is now a LT at VP30 teaching those future nav/comms how to do it right (all the while, being a crusty old SOB). As an aside, a great guy, and it was always funny, whenever he labelled someone "xxxx, is a good dude" (have to say that with a scratchy southern accent, their standing went up in the squadron wardroom.Brett327 said:Any VPers please check in on this one. I seem to remember talk of a program in the late 90s that would take AW LDOs and basically make them P-3 NFOs. It's like Jez to TACCO instead of Seaman to Admiral. Did this ever materialize?
Brett
Are these LDO NFOs getting a normal career progression and/or OPSO/MO ticket punching jobs? Surely not. I wouldn't imagine thay would ever be given command.webmaster said:My TACCO was a prior SS3 with 20 plus years in, and is now a LT at VP30 teaching those future nav/comms how to do it right (all the while, being a crusty old SOB). As an aside, a great guy, and it was always funny, whenever he labelled someone "xxxx, is a good dude" (have to say that with a scratchy southern accent, their standing went up in the squadron wardroom.
Also, my next door neighbor in housing was an O4 LDO TACCO on his DH tour... so they are alive and well, and an asset to a squadron.
O4 LDO was OPSO I believe (different squadron).... but you are right, they won't have the chance for command, do the DH tour, and the off to OIC a TSC or something. That is where he went next if I recall correctly.Brett327 said:Are these LDO NFOs getting a normal career progression and/or OPSO/MO ticket punching jobs? Surely not. I wouldn't imagine thay would ever be given command.
Brett