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This is the Navy, when has 'sense' ever entered into the equation???
Well, yeah. Obviously.
No, what I mean is, I've never heard any rationalization for this rule. Not even a stupid rationalization, or the standard Navy "fix for a problem that doesn't exist".
Why does this rule exist? What is its purpose? What is it trying to fix, avoid or acheive?
What is this 'categories' bullshit, anyhow? Why is my wearing my SWO pin below my FO wings perfectly okay, but a FO-pilot retread can't wear his FO wings anymore (which were sure as hell harder-earned than my SWO pin)? Just because of where they fall in some entriely artificially-created 'categories'?
While we're at it...MILPERSMAN says you rate wearing wings unless and until specifically stripped of them by Board action. Far as I'm concerned, that outranks the goddamned Uniform Regs. So there. Fester says it's kosher. :icon_tong
Hey, I'm late to the game. Like Hozer, I have PROUDLY worn my AIRCREW wings under my NFO wings since 1997. My EAWS wings are in my uniform box in my closet. Since the new rules have gone into effect, I just might have to break them out and wear them.
Yep, I'll consider the source and leave it at that.
Depends. If you earned a SWO pin first then transitioned to Aviation, then you'd wear your Aviation pin on top with SWO pin on the bottom.
I'm swamped....but I'm surviving. You forgot the beer.
-ea6bflyr
Yep, I'll consider the source and leave it at that.
Depends. If you earned a SWO pin first then transitioned to Aviation, then you'd wear your Aviation pin on top with SWO pin on the bottom.
I'm swamped....but I'm surviving. You forgot the beer.
-ea6bflyr
More Uniform updates. Are any aviators wearing NWUs?
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REF/A/DOC/NAVPERS 15665I/01JAN03/
AMPN/REF A IS U.S. NAVY UNIFORM REGULATIONS.
RMKS/1. THIS NAVADMIN ANNOUNCES THE CHIEF OF NAVAL OPERATIONS (CNO) APPROVED
UNIFORM POLICY CHANGES PROPOSED BY THE 4 FEBRUARY 2010 NAVY UNIFORM BOARD.
THE NAVY UNIFORM BOARD IS LED BY THE CHIEF OF NAVAL PERSONNEL (PRESIDENT).
THE FUNCTIONS OF THE UNIFORM BOARD ARE OUTLINED IN REF A. APPROVED UNIFORM
CHANGES ARE AS FOLLOWS:
A. CHIEF PETTY OFFICER (CPO) CUTLASS: UPON FINAL DESIGN APPROVAL, A
CEREMONIAL CUTLASS IS APPROVED FOR OPTIONAL WEAR. THE CUTLASS IS AUTHORIZED
FOR WEAR BY CHIEF PETTY OFFICERS DESIGNATED AS MEMBERS OF THE OFFICIAL PARTY
DURING CEREMONIES THAT PRESCRIBE FULL DRESS UNIFORMS. TO ENSURE UNIFORMITY IN
APPEARANCE, THE CUTLASS MAY ONLY BE WORN IF ALL MEMBERS OF THE OFFICIAL PARTY
ARE WEARING CUTLASSES OR SWORDS. THE CUTLASS SHALL BE PURCHASED AT THE
MEMBER?S EXPENSE.
B. POST-TOUR COMMAND SENIOR ENLISTED LEADER (SEL) IDENTIFICATION BADGE:
EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, THE POST-TOUR COMMAND SEL IDENTIFICATION BADGE MANNER
OF WEAR (POSITION WORN ON UNIFORM) SHALL BE THE SAME AS PRESCRIBED FOR THE
INCUMBENT COMMAND SEL IDENTIFICATION BADGE PER REF A, CHAPTER FIVE, SECTION
ONE.
C. NAVY AND COMMAND BALL CAP: EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, NAVY AND COMMAND
BALL CAPS ARE AUTHORIZED FOR WEAR WITH THE FOLLOWING UNIFORMS ONLY: WASH
KHAKI, UTILITIES, PHYSICAL TRAINING UNIFORM, COVERALLS, AND FLIGHT SUIT. BALL
CAPS ARE NOT AUTHORIZED FOR WEAR WITH THE NAVY WORKING UNIFORM (NWU)/
CAMOUFLAGE UTILITY UNIFORM
(CUU) WITH THE FOLLOWING EXCEPTIONS:
(1) WHEN UNDERWAY ONBOARD U.S. NAVY VESSELS, BALL CAPS MAY BE
AUTHORIZED FOR WEAR WITH THE NWU/CUU ONLY BY BRIDGE WATCH TEAMS AND COMMAND
TRAINING TEAMS AT THE DISCRETION OF THE COMMANDING OFFICER.
(2) ASHORE, BALL CAPS MAY BE WORN WITH THE NWU AND CUU BY COMMAND
TRAINING TEAMS DURING FIELD EXERCISES HELD IN RESTRICTED AREAS TO PROVIDE
VISUAL IDENTIFICATION OF SUPERVISORS, CONTROLLERS AND SAFETY OBSERVERS. THIS
POLICY MODIFICATION IS ALLOWED DURING THE PRESCRIBED WINDOW OF
TRAINING/EVOLUTION. WEARING OF BALL CAPS IS NOT AUTHORIZED DURING TRANSIT TO
AND FROM EXERCISE EVENTS, OR IN THE VICINITY OF THE COMMAND AREA.
D. NAVY BLUE COVERALL: BEGINNING 1 JANUARY 2011, THE NAVY BLUE COVERALL
OCCASION FOR WEAR SHALL BE LIMITED TO AN UNDERWAY UNIFORM (I.E. FROM
STATIONING AND SECURING THE SEA AND ANCHOR DETAIL/MANEUVERING WATCH WHEN
LEAVING AND ENTERING PORT RESPECTIVELY).
COMMANDING OFFICERS CAN AUTHORIZE THE WEAR OF NAVY BLUE COVERALLS ASHORE IN
ENVIRONMENTS THAT PLACE AN EXCESSIVE AMOUNT OF WEAR ON WORKING UNIFORMS. PER
REF A, THIS POLICY DOES NOT ALLEVIATE THE COMMAND?S RESPONSIBILITY TO PROCURE
COVERALLS FOR WORK IN AREAS THAT ARE LIKELY TO PERMANENTLY SOIL OR PREMATURELY
DESTROY THE UNIFORM.
E. BLUE 100 PERCENT COTTON T-SHIRT: BEGINNING 1 JANUARY 2011, THE BLUE
100 PERCENT COTTON T-SHIRT (THE T-SHIRT AUTHORIZED FOR WEAR WITH THE NWU) WILL
REPLACE THE WHITE T-SHIRT AS THE ONLY AUTHORIZED T-SHIRT WORN WITH NAVY BLUE
COVERALLS.
F. BACKPACKS: EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY BACKPACKS MAY BE WORN OVER EITHER
THE LEFT SHOULDER OR BOTH SHOLDERS WHILE WEARING SERVICE AND WORKING UNIFORMS.
AUTHORIZED COLORS OF BACKPACKS INCLUDE BLACK, NAVY BLUE, AND WHEN AVAILABLE
THE MATCHING NWU PATTERN (BLUE/GREY/BLACK). THE MATCHING NWU PATTERN BACKPACK
IS ONLY AUTHORIZED FOR WEAR WITH THE NWU. NO PERSONAL ORNAMENTATION SHALL BE
ATTACHED ON OR TO THE BACKPACK.
G. SERVICE GARRISON CAP OCCASION FOR WEAR: EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, THE E1
- E6 BLACK GARRISON CAP IS AUTHORIZED FOR OPTIONAL WEAR WITH THE NAVY FLIGHT
SUIT BY E1 ? E6 PERSONNEL WHO ARE AUTHORIZED TO WEAR THE FLIGHT SUIT. THE
SERVICE KHAKI GARRISON CAP IS AUTHORIZED FOR OPTIONAL WEAR WITH THE NAVY
FLIGHT SUIT BY OFFICER AND CHIEF PETTY OFFICER PERSONNEL AUTHORIZED TO WEAR
THE FLIGHT SUIT.
2. ADDITIONAL DETAILS ON THE FINAL DESIGN AND MANNER OF WEAR OF THE CPO
CUTLASS AND OTHER UNIFORM INITIATIVES WILL BE ANNOUNCED VIA FUTURE NAVADMINS
AND POSTED ON THE UNIFORM MATTERS WEBSITE AT:
HTTP://WWW.NPC.NAVY.MIL/COMMANDSUPPORT/USNAVYUNIFORMS/.
3. FILE THIS NAVADMIN UNTIL REVISIONS ARE INCORPORATED INTO THE BUPERS
DIRECTIVE CD-ROM CHANGE CONTAINING REF A.
4. POINTS OF CONTACT:
- MR. ROBERT B. CARROLL, HEAD, NAVY UNIFORM MATTERS OFFICE, AT
(703) 614-5076/DSN 224, OR EMAIL AT ROBERT.B.CARROLL(AT)NAVY.MIL.
- CMDCM(AW) JERRY FEATHERSTONE, DEPUTY HEAD, NAVY UNIFORM MATTERS, AT (703)
614-5075/DSN 224, OR EMAIL AT JERRY.FEATHERSTONE(AT)NAVY.MIL.
5. RELEASED BY VADM MARK FERGUSON, N1. MINIMIZE CONSIDERED.
UNCLASSIFIED//
ROUTINE
R 312021Z MAR 10
BT
UNCLAS
FM CNO WASHINGTON DC//N1//
TO NAVADMIN
INFO CNO WASHINGTON DC//N1//
NAVADMIN 118/10
MSGID/GENADMIN/CNO WASHINGTON DC/N1/MAR//
SUBJ/UNIFORM BOARD UPDATE//
REF/A/DOC/NAVPERS 15665I/01JAN03/
AMPN/REF A IS U.S. NAVY UNIFORM REGULATIONS.
RMKS/1. THIS NAVADMIN ANNOUNCES THE CHIEF OF NAVAL OPERATIONS (CNO) APPROVED
UNIFORM POLICY CHANGES PROPOSED BY THE 4 FEBRUARY 2010 NAVY UNIFORM BOARD.
THE NAVY UNIFORM BOARD IS LED BY THE CHIEF OF NAVAL PERSONNEL (PRESIDENT).
THE FUNCTIONS OF THE UNIFORM BOARD ARE OUTLINED IN REF A. APPROVED UNIFORM
CHANGES ARE AS FOLLOWS:
A. CHIEF PETTY OFFICER (CPO) CUTLASS: UPON FINAL DESIGN APPROVAL, A
CEREMONIAL CUTLASS IS APPROVED FOR OPTIONAL WEAR. THE CUTLASS IS AUTHORIZED
FOR WEAR BY CHIEF PETTY OFFICERS DESIGNATED AS MEMBERS OF THE OFFICIAL PARTY
DURING CEREMONIES THAT PRESCRIBE FULL DRESS UNIFORMS. TO ENSURE UNIFORMITY IN
APPEARANCE, THE CUTLASS MAY ONLY BE WORN IF ALL MEMBERS OF THE OFFICIAL PARTY
ARE WEARING CUTLASSES OR SWORDS. THE CUTLASS SHALL BE PURCHASED AT THE
MEMBER?S EXPENSE.
B. POST-TOUR COMMAND SENIOR ENLISTED LEADER (SEL) IDENTIFICATION BADGE:
EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, THE POST-TOUR COMMAND SEL IDENTIFICATION BADGE MANNER
OF WEAR (POSITION WORN ON UNIFORM) SHALL BE THE SAME AS PRESCRIBED FOR THE
INCUMBENT COMMAND SEL IDENTIFICATION BADGE PER REF A, CHAPTER FIVE, SECTION
ONE.
C. NAVY AND COMMAND BALL CAP: EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, NAVY AND COMMAND
BALL CAPS ARE AUTHORIZED FOR WEAR WITH THE FOLLOWING UNIFORMS ONLY: WASH
KHAKI, UTILITIES, PHYSICAL TRAINING UNIFORM, COVERALLS, AND FLIGHT SUIT. BALL
CAPS ARE NOT AUTHORIZED FOR WEAR WITH THE NAVY WORKING UNIFORM (NWU)/
CAMOUFLAGE UTILITY UNIFORM
(CUU) WITH THE FOLLOWING EXCEPTIONS:
(1) WHEN UNDERWAY ONBOARD U.S. NAVY VESSELS, BALL CAPS MAY BE
AUTHORIZED FOR WEAR WITH THE NWU/CUU ONLY BY BRIDGE WATCH TEAMS AND COMMAND
TRAINING TEAMS AT THE DISCRETION OF THE COMMANDING OFFICER.
(2) ASHORE, BALL CAPS MAY BE WORN WITH THE NWU AND CUU BY COMMAND
TRAINING TEAMS DURING FIELD EXERCISES HELD IN RESTRICTED AREAS TO PROVIDE
VISUAL IDENTIFICATION OF SUPERVISORS, CONTROLLERS AND SAFETY OBSERVERS. THIS
POLICY MODIFICATION IS ALLOWED DURING THE PRESCRIBED WINDOW OF
TRAINING/EVOLUTION. WEARING OF BALL CAPS IS NOT AUTHORIZED DURING TRANSIT TO
AND FROM EXERCISE EVENTS, OR IN THE VICINITY OF THE COMMAND AREA.
D. NAVY BLUE COVERALL: BEGINNING 1 JANUARY 2011, THE NAVY BLUE COVERALL
OCCASION FOR WEAR SHALL BE LIMITED TO AN UNDERWAY UNIFORM (I.E. FROM
STATIONING AND SECURING THE SEA AND ANCHOR DETAIL/MANEUVERING WATCH WHEN
LEAVING AND ENTERING PORT RESPECTIVELY).
COMMANDING OFFICERS CAN AUTHORIZE THE WEAR OF NAVY BLUE COVERALLS ASHORE IN
ENVIRONMENTS THAT PLACE AN EXCESSIVE AMOUNT OF WEAR ON WORKING UNIFORMS. PER
REF A, THIS POLICY DOES NOT ALLEVIATE THE COMMAND?S RESPONSIBILITY TO PROCURE
COVERALLS FOR WORK IN AREAS THAT ARE LIKELY TO PERMANENTLY SOIL OR PREMATURELY
DESTROY THE UNIFORM.
E. BLUE 100 PERCENT COTTON T-SHIRT: BEGINNING 1 JANUARY 2011, THE BLUE
100 PERCENT COTTON T-SHIRT (THE T-SHIRT AUTHORIZED FOR WEAR WITH THE NWU) WILL
REPLACE THE WHITE T-SHIRT AS THE ONLY AUTHORIZED T-SHIRT WORN WITH NAVY BLUE
COVERALLS.
F. BACKPACKS: EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY BACKPACKS MAY BE WORN OVER EITHER
THE LEFT SHOULDER OR BOTH SHOLDERS WHILE WEARING SERVICE AND WORKING UNIFORMS.
AUTHORIZED COLORS OF BACKPACKS INCLUDE BLACK, NAVY BLUE, AND WHEN AVAILABLE
THE MATCHING NWU PATTERN (BLUE/GREY/BLACK). THE MATCHING NWU PATTERN BACKPACK
IS ONLY AUTHORIZED FOR WEAR WITH THE NWU. NO PERSONAL ORNAMENTATION SHALL BE
ATTACHED ON OR TO THE BACKPACK.
G. SERVICE GARRISON CAP OCCASION FOR WEAR: EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, THE E1
- E6 BLACK GARRISON CAP IS AUTHORIZED FOR OPTIONAL WEAR WITH THE NAVY FLIGHT
SUIT BY E1 ? E6 PERSONNEL WHO ARE AUTHORIZED TO WEAR THE FLIGHT SUIT. THE
SERVICE KHAKI GARRISON CAP IS AUTHORIZED FOR OPTIONAL WEAR WITH THE NAVY
FLIGHT SUIT BY OFFICER AND CHIEF PETTY OFFICER PERSONNEL AUTHORIZED TO WEAR
THE FLIGHT SUIT.
2. ADDITIONAL DETAILS ON THE FINAL DESIGN AND MANNER OF WEAR OF THE CPO
CUTLASS AND OTHER UNIFORM INITIATIVES WILL BE ANNOUNCED VIA FUTURE NAVADMINS
AND POSTED ON THE UNIFORM MATTERS WEBSITE AT:
HTTP://WWW.NPC.NAVY.MIL/COMMANDSUPPORT/USNAVYUNIFORMS/.
3. FILE THIS NAVADMIN UNTIL REVISIONS ARE INCORPORATED INTO THE BUPERS
DIRECTIVE CD-ROM CHANGE CONTAINING REF A.
4. POINTS OF CONTACT:
- MR. ROBERT B. CARROLL, HEAD, NAVY UNIFORM MATTERS OFFICE, AT
(703) 614-5076/DSN 224, OR EMAIL AT ROBERT.B.CARROLL(AT)NAVY.MIL.
- CMDCM(AW) JERRY FEATHERSTONE, DEPUTY HEAD, NAVY UNIFORM MATTERS, AT (703)
614-5075/DSN 224, OR EMAIL AT JERRY.FEATHERSTONE(AT)NAVY.MIL.
5. RELEASED BY VADM MARK FERGUSON, N1. MINIMIZE CONSIDERED.
Hrm. Wear a ball cap with a flight suit? Maybe. Wear the service khaki garrison cap? Heck, people have been gaffing that (former) rule off for as long as I've been in. I really don't understand the coverall retention. Wasn't the point of the NWU to get RID of all the different working uniforms available? Now we have, let's see . . . AWGs, Wash Khakis/Utilities, coveralls, NWU Type I, II, and III, Desert CUUs, MARPAT when with the Marines, and ACUs when with the Army. And apparently only two of those selections go away in December.
If we can keep poopy suits, we can damn well keep AWGs.
If we can keep poopy suits, we can damn well keep AWGs.
MasterBates
Well-Known Member
Never worn a ball cap with a flight suit.. And I'm pretty sure you'd be heckled here for it.
I'm pretty sure that provision is for E's.
I'd wear a ballcap with bag every now and again. Keeps the sun off better than the pisscutter, which is a useless pin-carrying device.
As for the SWOveralls, etc, I think it's the difference between "authorized" and "required". Coveralls are good for the guys on the boat getting tore-up filthy every day (engineers, 1st Div, etc), so they can still wear them if they want. It's still reducing what's actually required to be in the seabag.
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Pretty much every AW I run into in a squadron wearing a bag wears the command ballcap with it.