Whatever disagreements we have on the realities of shooting more (or at all) in the Navy, this statement is the one single truth that should be taken from the thread.
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Whatever disagreements we have on the realities of shooting more (or at all) in the Navy, this statement is the one single truth that should be taken from the thread.
ABMD
Bullets don't fly without Supply
This is an option for anyone in the Mid-Atlantic. When I was at ROLC in Washington I met a JG that was on that Navy team, he invited me over to Quantico where they shoot, but never took him up on the offer.
OP can also join the Expeditionary side of the reserves (Cargo, NSW, Seabees) they qualify as it is part of the EXW qual PQS (enlisted qual). We had intel types at our range day (E and O).
If me, as a nobody GS-12 with a clearance can go to the range and shoot copious amounts of M-4 and M17 ammo on Uncle Sugar's dime, you as an actual uniformed member should be able too. ?
The reason the USAF has extra ammo for the CAP is because they got nothing to shoot at!?
devilbones
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Our last two ranges were canceled due to lack of participation. Hopefully enough people sign up for the M4 range this month.
vxc961
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Marines take aim at Navy for fumbled firearm photo on social media
The Marine Corps schooled the Navy over social media Wednesday after the sea service uploaded a photo of an officer firing an improperly configured rifle.
I know many of us agreed to disagree, but maybe a marksmanship weekend would have saved us from this embarrassment (not knowing the CO, I hope there’s some sort of explanation)
Seriously? What for? Even with optics most pistol fights still look like the gun fight at the end of the movie Open Range…lots of shooting but not too much hitting.
Agreed. It’s a joke either way, and despite how ignorant the USN insists on remaining with small arms (outside of select units, at least), the armorer and RSO in this situation should have known better.Marines take aim at Navy for fumbled firearm photo on social media
The Marine Corps schooled the Navy over social media Wednesday after the sea service uploaded a photo of an officer firing an improperly configured rifle.www.stripes.com
I know many of us agreed to disagree, but maybe a marksmanship weekend would have saved us from this embarrassment (not knowing the CO, I hope there’s some sort of explanation)
I maintain that everyone in the military should know how to shoot, and basic firearm safety. It’s not that hard.
That CO got set up by his MA. I'm sure he's great at what he does, but how the F does this happen during a PR photo shoot...not the end of the world, but jeez
I'll say this (every Marine a rifleman), I've seen some stupid shit on deployment WRT small arms handling from aircrew.
If you're going to be responsible for handling a weapon, the currency of the training should exceed all the other BS annual training.
This. I have always seen basic small arms as a fundamental military skill, just like learning how to march in formation and properly wearing a uniform. Even if you don’t know how to properly set up the optic, it should be obvious something (several things, in fact) is/are seriously wrong with that rifle, and you should hand it back to the armorer, not yeet away like a hillbilly (who, ironically, would likely know better, and suggest a fix.)
This one really speaks to our studied ignorance on firearms in general, which is a larger cultural issue. I’m teaching my kids basic firearm safety and marksmanship not because I expect them to like firearms, but because- in part- it’s a fundamental life skill that might help them recognize ignorance like this.
Ok, I’m really done now. Sorry, this one just grinds my “old man yells at cloud” gears.
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I'll relay some observations (from a guy, as a 10 yr old, who shot a hole in the family TV with a.BB gun rifle while whole family was in the room watching Sunday football...I thought I was dry firing)This. I have always seen basic small arms as a fundamental military skill, just like learning how to march in formation and properly wearing a uniform. Even if you don’t know how to properly set up the optic, it should be obvious something (several things, in fact) is/are seriously wrong with that rifle, and you should hand it back to the armorer, not yet away like a hillbilly (who would likely know better, and suggest a fix.)
This one really speaks to our studied ignorance on firearms in general, which is a larger cultural issue. I’m teaching my kids basic firearm safety and marksmanship not because I expect them to like firearms, but because- in part- it’s a fundamental life skill that might help them recognize ignorance like this.
Ok, I’m really done now. Sorry, this one just grinds my “old man yells at cloud” gears.
-1st deployment to Iraq: E-4 shoots a hole through meaty part of his palm, while trying to teach E-3 how to strip down the M-9 pistol. Evac'ed to Germany.
-2nd deployment to Iraq: Pilot inadvertently fires round into the clearing barrel prior to going into the chow hall. Later in the deployment, a pilot accidentally killed himself in the RR with his M-9.
Yeah, it's deadly important to be properly trained, like you said.
I’ll bet the USN’s response wasn’t to ensure the individuals/units in these incidents were properly trained. It was probably to add more rules and restrictions, and effectively disarm more members of the military. Example: when I flew into combat, I wasn’t allowed to load my pistol. Pure bureaucratic stupidity.
To the OP and others:
There used to be a semi-public, USMC-run range at Norfolk (Camp Ellmore? the name got changed at least once) where you could pay $50 for a Navy pistol qual and $60 for Navy rifle qual. This covered range time and ammo but not much in the way of instruction. Seems like a great option for reservists as it’s not impacting the range time or ammo of active units needing quals, yet they know how to administer the Navy qualification standard and generate the qual paperwork. I qual’d there but it was very much ad hoc. YMMV
FWIW, any RSO can administer the Navy rifle and pistol qual. The regs are in OPNAVINST 3591.1F.
With respect to the comments about “requirements” and mob, you will be given weapons training if and when you need it. The Navy actually codes this to your NE/NN billet number. If you aren’t being told to receive it, you don’t need it.
I might have shot more ammo as an 1835 than any other 1835 (excluding their time as an 1830 or previous rate/designator, and only counting in uniform with issued weapons, not sport shooting on own time/dime outside the Navy). You reach a point when you don’t want to shoot any more. It was pretty fun but like all fun it has an end.
There used to be a semi-public, USMC-run range at Norfolk (Camp Ellmore? the name got changed at least once) where you could pay $50 for a Navy pistol qual and $60 for Navy rifle qual. This covered range time and ammo but not much in the way of instruction. Seems like a great option for reservists as it’s not impacting the range time or ammo of active units needing quals, yet they know how to administer the Navy qualification standard and generate the qual paperwork. I qual’d there but it was very much ad hoc. YMMV
FWIW, any RSO can administer the Navy rifle and pistol qual. The regs are in OPNAVINST 3591.1F.
With respect to the comments about “requirements” and mob, you will be given weapons training if and when you need it. The Navy actually codes this to your NE/NN billet number. If you aren’t being told to receive it, you don’t need it.
I might have shot more ammo as an 1835 than any other 1835 (excluding their time as an 1830 or previous rate/designator, and only counting in uniform with issued weapons, not sport shooting on own time/dime outside the Navy). You reach a point when you don’t want to shoot any more. It was pretty fun but like all fun it has an end.