Nobody on ground ever will care (or have the knowledges or authority) to grant them permission to start their engines
I'm pretty damn gullible, so I'm going to bite off on this one.
Really?
Nobody on ground ever will care (or have the knowledges or authority) to grant them permission to start their engines
Granted, I had 2 less engines, but DAMN you guys over geek that.
I'm pretty damn gullible, so I'm going to bite off on this one.
Really?
Brett is used to operating at Navy fields, where nobody cares who starts motors where. P-3's fly out of international airports on the reg, where ground is choreographing everything like a Boeing ballet. You WILL get your nuts hammered if you just push back and spin up motors without telling anyone.
I suppose we do it everywhere else so that it just becomes habit and we never forget. (yeah, I know. . .)
For engine out and no flap "funny landings," we have to full stop it. It's part of our emergency landing brief to "make sure tower knows this will be a full stop," so a lot of studs will call for it or instructors will play the student's game and call for it when directed.
The bitch of it is that there are also a crap ton of other items that must be briefed verbatim from NATOPS before you can let the stud touch down. A lot of studs will rush through and try to get it all briefed, even inside the 180, and end up waving off when they can't get it done.
Sometimes, though, we just need to see a waveoff from the student.
Brett has also operated from many USAFBs and INTL civilian airports, and never once requested permission to start engines. I'm guessing the E-2/C-2 crowd doesnt either. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that since you guys are all brainwashed/programmed to request permission, nobody has ever tried to do otherwise, thus nobody has had their "nuts hammered" for not doing it. I think that's a made up concept and that nobody would bat an eye in 95% of places.Brett is used to operating at Navy fields, where nobody cares who starts motors where. P-3's fly out of international airports on the reg, where ground is choreographing everything like a Boeing ballet. You WILL get your nuts hammered if you just push back and spin up motors without telling anyone.
I suppose we do it everywhere else so that it just becomes habit and we never forget. (yeah, I know. . .)
Since we've turned this into a hate on VP thread
Find out how many in your class want P-3s and then see where you fallout NSS wise. We had 4 who wanted with 2 slots available. The other guy who got it was a prior non-acoustic and he was thrilled to death. I have heard of people mostly for E-6s, but for P-3s too being held back or leaped up a class to get a spot. Good luck and dont quit if you dont get P-3s, I hear low levels are amazing in the T-6.
It's what they do. The VP guys have a long sordid history of non-standard operations, radio verbosity (when they're on UHF) and otherwise going out of their way to make life difficult for themselves and everyone trying to operate in a given Class C. Nobody on ground ever will care (or have the knowledges or authority) to grant them permission to start their engines, etc, etc, etc, but that won't stop them from following their VP-30 script to the letter.
It's what they do.
Brett
We've actually, for the most part, broken this habit in Jax. No one calls for starts there, anymore.
Brett has probably broken many host country's / international airfield's regulations / procedures without knowing it.Brett has also operated from many USAFBs and INTL civilian airports, and never once requested permission to start engines.
That was partially my point. If those were the rules and I broke them regularly without so much as an anoyed radio call from Ground then, more than likely, nobody cares. Maybe we're all just so bad ass in our jets that nobody will dare to challenge us. That's probably it.Brett has probably broken many host country's / international airfield's regulations / procedures without knowing it.
Brett has also operated from many USAFBs and INTL civilian airports, and never once requested permission to start engines. I'm guessing the E-2/C-2 crowd doesnt either.
Brett has also operated from many USAFBs and INTL civilian airports, and never once requested permission to start engines. I'm guessing the E-2/C-2 crowd doesnt either. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that since you guys are all brainwashed/programmed to request permission, nobody has ever tried to do otherwise, thus nobody has had their "nuts hammered" for not doing it. I think that's a made up concept and that nobody would bat an eye in 95% of places.
Since we've turned this into a hate on VP thread (smiles, of course), here's a novel idea: instead of being mindless automatons, why not perform extra steps only when they're required? If you are such a slave to standardization and habit patterns, I wonder what you do when the requirements of your mission requires flexibility, or the ability to adapt to novel situations. In short, I'm saying that you're all better than that. Give yourselves some credit here.
Brett