Licenses after winging

[jg5343]

jg5343- Is your title under your name a friggin' joke?!?!? If so, its the least funny one I've seen. Not cool, dude.

Yes it is a joke....kinda. Not trying to offend any of you super pilots out there by any means. I am in the same pipeline as you. As a diver, we always liked to say the work is good if you can get it. So we made t-shirts and stickers of such things hoping for a good job. Never hoping for anyone to get injured, but really wanting to go after that plane they just trashed into 200 feet of water. Please don't take it too seriously.

 

[ChuckMK23]

We used to have surplus O-2 Skymasters at the NAS Norfolk flying club - they were actually a pleasure to fly. You had to remember to always start the rear engine first or you were sure to forget - and try to take off on one engine.

The picture on the right of A4s' post is an OV-10A Bronco that was acquired by the California Department of Forestry - they were repanted in the red and white livery of that department and the ejection seats de-armed. They fly out of Fresno Airport.

 

[virtu050]

some bases have Navy Flying Clubs where you can rent small planes for discount prices. You might have to take a course rules test and a test for the airplane you're about to fly. You'll also need anywhere from 2 to 5 hours of prior flight time in the type of plane. Finally, you will need a check-out ride with an instructor.. usually an hour. Most commercial places where you rent planes overnight you are required to fly a minimum of 3 hours a day. Plus they might ask that you have plane renters insurance. Of course this is assuming you already have your license/ratings. Flying is a VERY expensive hobby.

 

[HAL Pilot]

The multi ride is more about the oral, and single engine aerodynamics than it is the actual practical. I know cuz I've endorsed probably 15-20 mutli studs I've had and never had a failure! Drill the 4 factors of a critical engine, and certification of Vmc (FAR 23.149 if I remember right) into their skulls!

Absolutely concur! But if they have the multi with the centerline restriction, all they have to do is the that protion of the oral, the Vmc demo and the single engine protion of the practical. It's quicker, easier and cheaper than starting from scratch.

 

[Brett327]

The multi ride is more about the oral...

So, that's why you've never had a failure.

Brett

 

[A4sForever]

Some advice: Get all the licenses you can, early and often .... ASAP after Wings and keep them. You won't regret it. It will make life easier when the time comes to figure out whether you want to fly for UNCLE or go drive a bus for the evil, greedy capitalists .....

Some of the "gouge" here is good, some is "so what else is new"? Contact your local FSDO or ACDO or whatever the heck the alphabet-acronym for it is on that given day --- find out the latest, current requirements from the source -- not from forums and "I heard" sources --- find out what schools and "training" facilities are available near you and get your licenses and ratings . If you never use them, so what? Professional learning and experience. If you do need them, however ..... you will have them and be that less pressed compared to the rest of the herd.

Oh, yeah ... just DO IT and keep your mouth(s) shut about it .... that's just a suggestion and a "head's-up". Loose lips sink ships , careers, and incur the wrath of Dept. Heads ...... (AW smiley .... :censored_ ... cheers)

 

[lance]

Nope that is not it.

Far 91

If you are just going VFR, then all you got to have is: Current Medical, BI-annual flight review, [3 touch and goes last 90 days, full- stop if at night.-to carry passengers], if you take pubs-better be current.

IFR- Same as VFR + 6 instrument approaches in last 6 months with Holding, Intercepting, and Tracking. Make sure plane is IFR certified.

Make sure that FBO isn't slacking remember to check to see if its current here ya go-Acranym-AAVIATE

A- Annual
A- Airworthiness Directives
V- VOR check in last 30 days
I- 100 inspection since the airplane is for higher
A-"altimeter" Pitot-static check in last 24 months
T- Transponder checked in last 24 calender monghts
E- ELT- Replaced/recharged if more than 1 hour of use, past battery half life, or longer then 12 months.

Make sure the Plane has all document visible in the aircraft, sometimes the FBO maintinence guys forget to put **** "Placards" on.

Specifically make sure its Airworthiness, Registrations, and AFM are in the Cockpit,

Make sure that it(afm) has the serial numbers on that AFM and its not just some POH they decided to put in there.

HAVE FUN!!!!!!!

 

[A4sForever]

Nope that is not it.

Far 91

HAVE FUN!!!!!!!

.... (** deep breath **) .... O.K., junior .... you go "Have Fun" with VF 'n R. . Especially if Daddy (?) or someone else is paying for it ..... I did not have that luxury. I'm not certain that anyone on this thread was talking about "having fun" with VFR .... but maybe I'm just getting old and cranky. Forgive me for that, as I am old and cranky.

..... illustration of A4s having fun ......

But when it comes to getting a job with the airlines, come back and talk to me when you go over 19,000 hours and are typed in the 737, 727, 747, DC-10 and A-330. Not trying to smash you, you realize --- but I am not talking about FLYING .... I'm talking about a JOB with the BIG BOYS flying the BIG IRON .... ??? RIGHT ???

But I love you, anyway ..... and an AW smiley for you .... :censored_

 

[squeeze]

i had a feeling this shoulda been moved to the Private Naval Aviators forum

 

[lance]

My bad A4 I was trying to reply to Jboomer on the third post of this thread, didn't mean to single you out or try to act cool. Kinda forget you guys all know your **** already. I am used to working with younger guys then myself.

Peace

 

[A4sForever]

Peace

Peace is good ... no problem-O

 

[Banjo33]

I love how some dipstick with mod powers has gone and locked all of the old posts. So, instead of posting in an old thread and keeping the info together, I get the pleasure of opening a NEW thread (which gets to be sifted through by the next guy that comes along with a similar question but can't find the answer in the previous threadS so he has to in turn create a NEW thread to ask a question similar to those already asked!)!

My apologies. This wasn't warranted, I was a little peturbed. The tactful thing to do would have been to bite my tongue and take it up with one of the mods, or better yet suck it up cause I don't run this place. I missed the latest thread covering exactly this topic (it's on the homepage) and that would have been a more appropriate venue to air my concerns. Come to think of it, this is exactly the type of behaviour that gets these threads locked in the first place!

Great info (although now there seems to be conflicting ideas as to what is required)!

 

[Steve Wilkins]

I know why it was done. I remember the mod stating it was because he was tired of people reviving old threads. Personally, I didn't like it then and I don't like it now. Just someone wanting to exercise control when none was needed.

No, that is not completely accurate. Here, I'll give you the link for your reference that you can peruse to refresh your memory. http://www.airwarriors.com/forum/sh...953&postcount=4

A couple points to consider here. First, it isn't just some random moderator, or as you put it, "some dipstick with mod powers" going through old threads and locking them. This is a Webmester level decision to have old threads (those without any posts for >30 days) to be automatically locked. This in turn, is designed to help make this site run better and smoother for you, the customer. Your displeasure with the system now in place has been noted.

Thanks for chiming in Steve! As always your posts are both informative and lacking in sarcasm! Mind not threadjacking my thread anymore?

Your initial post in this thread was disrespectful and in my eyes directed at the Webmaster. As a result, you received a less than helpful response from me, laced with a trace of sarcasm. As for not threadjacking your thread anymore, request denied.

My question: after winging, we qualify for a Commercial License/Instrument Rating. With that said, what are the requirements necessary to complete in order for said aviator to go to the local FBO and rent a small Cessna? Do we need a certain number of hours in that airplane or just a fam flight with an instructor? Also, with those requirements (if there are any) met, are we then legal to take that a/c into IFR?

Maybe you know this, maybe you don't. I'm still unsure. However, I'll post here (for you or anyone else) what took me two minutes to look up.

TITLE 14--AERONAUTICSAND SPACE

CHAPTER I--FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
(CONTINUED)

PART 61--CERTIFICATION: PILOTS, FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS, AND GROUND INSTRUCTORS--Table of Contents

Subpart B--Aircraft Ratings and Pilot Authorizations

Sec. 61.73 Military pilots or former military pilots: Special rules.

(a) General. Except for a rated military pilot or former rated
military pilot who has been removed from flying status for lack of
proficiency, or because of disciplinary action involving aircraft
operations, a rated military pilot or former rated military pilot who
meets the applicable requirements of this section may apply, on the
basis of his or her military training, for:
(1) A commercial pilot certificate;
(2) An aircraft rating in the category and class of aircraft for
which that military pilot is qualified;
(3) An instrument rating with the appropriate aircraft rating for
which that military pilot is qualified; or
(4) A type rating, if appropriate.
(b) Military pilots on active flying status within the past 12
months. A rated military pilot or former rated military pilot who has
been on active flying status within the 12 months before applying must:
(1) Pass a knowledge test on the appropriate parts of this chapter
that apply to pilot privileges and limitations, air traffic and general
operating rules, and accident reporting rules;
(2) Present documentation showing compliance with the requirements
of paragraph (d) of this section for at least one aircraft category
rating; and
(3) Present documentation showing that the applicant is or was, at
any time during the 12 calendar months before the month of application--
(i) A rated military pilot on active flying status in an armed force
of the United States; or
(ii) A rated military pilot of an armed force of a foreign
contracting State to the Convention on International Civil Aviation,
assigned to pilot duties (other than flight training) with an armed
force of the United States and holds, at the time of application, a
current civil pilot license issued by that contracting State authorizing
at least the privileges of the pilot certificate sought.
(c) Military pilots not on active flying status during the 12
calendar months before the month of application. A rated military pilot
or former rated military pilot who has not been on active flying status
within the 12 calendar months before the month of application must:
(1) Pass the appropriate knowledge and practical tests prescribed in
this part for the certificate or rating sought; and
(2) Present documentation showing that the applicant was, before the
beginning of the 12th calendar month before the month of application, a
rated military pilot as prescribed by paragraph (b)(3)(i) or paragraph
(b)(3)(ii) of this section.
(d) Aircraft category, class, and type ratings. A rated military
pilot or former rated military pilot who applies for an aircraft
category, class, or type rating, if applicable, is issued that rating at
the commercial pilot certificate level if the pilot presents documentary
evidence that shows satisfactory accomplishment of:
(1) An official U.S. military pilot check and instrument proficiency
check in that aircraft category, class, or type, if applicable, as pilot in command during the 12 calendar
months before the month of application;
(2) At least 10 hours of pilot-in-command time in that aircraft
category, class, or type, if applicable, during the 12 calendar months
before the month of application; or
(3) An FAA practical test in that aircraft after--
(i) Meeting the requirements of paragraphs (b)(1) and (b)(2) of this
section; and
(ii) Having received an endorsement from an authorized instructor
who certifies that the pilot is proficient to take the required
practical test, and that endorsement is made within the 60-day period
preceding the date of the practical test.
(e) Instrument rating. A rated military pilot or former rated
military pilot who applies for an airplane instrument rating, a
helicopter instrument rating, or a powered-lift instrument rating to be
added to his or her commercial pilot certificate may apply for an
instrument rating if the pilot has, within the 12 calendar months
preceding the month of application:
(1) Passed an instrument proficiency check by a U.S. Armed Force in
the aircraft category for the instrument rating sought; and
(2) Received authorization from a U.S. Armed Force to conduct IFR
flights on Federal airways in that aircraft category and class for the
instrument rating sought.
(f) Aircraft type rating. An aircraft type rating is issued only for
aircraft types that the Administrator has certificated for civil
operations.
(g) Aircraft type rating placed on an airline transport pilot
certificate. A rated military pilot or former rated military pilot who
holds an airline transport pilot certificate and who requests an
aircraft type rating to be placed on that person's airline transport
pilot certificate may be issued that aircraft type rating at the airline
transport pilot certificate level, provided that person:
(1) Holds a category and class rating for that type of aircraft at
the airline transport pilot certificate level; and
(2) Passed an official U.S. military pilot check and instrument
proficiency check in that type of aircraft as pilot in command during
the 12 calendar months before the month of application.
(h) Evidentiary documents. The following documents are satisfactory
evidence for the purposes indicated:
(1) An official identification card issued to the pilot by an armed
force may be used to demonstrate membership in the armed forces.
(2) An original or a copy of a certificate of discharge or release
may be used to demonstrate discharge or release from an armed force or
former membership in an armed force.
(3) Current or previous status as a rated military pilot with a U.S.
Armed Force may be demonstrated by--
(i) An official U.S. Armed Force order to flight status as a
military pilot;
(ii) An official U.S. Armed Force form or logbook showing military
pilot status; or
(iii) An official order showing that the rated military pilot
graduated from a U.S. military pilot school and received a rating as a
military pilot.
(4) A certified U.S. Armed Force logbook or an appropriate official
U.S. Armed Force form or summary may be used to demonstrate flight time
in military aircraft as a member of a U.S. Armed Force.
(5) An official U.S. Armed Force record of a military checkout as
pilot in command may be used to demonstrate pilot in command status.
(6) A current instrument grade slip that is issued by a U.S. Armed
Force, or an official record of satisfactory accomplishment of an
instrument proficiency check during the 12 calendar months preceding the
month of the application may be used to demonstrate instrument pilot
qualification.

I did that. The chick working the phones couldn't answer my questions so she gave me the number to the two local instructors. I guess both of them work real jobs during the day as I was unable to get either of them on the phone. Knowing that this board is frequented by "aviators" I suspected I could get pretty darn close to some good gouge.

After my initial read-through of the thread, I thought you wanted to know what the regs are for getting your certificates so that you'd be eligible to go to an FBO and rent an aircraft. However, after my second read-through, my understanding is that you already know what the regs say and what the procedures are. You just didn't/don't know what you need to do in order to actually rent from the FBO. If that's the case, then the FSDO won't have a clue, nor will anyone on this board unless someone here rents from the same FBO that you intend to rent from. Every FBO I've ever rented from has had their own procedures for renting their aircraft. If you just want to fly VFR, you'll probably have no problems. If you intend to fly IFR, the FBO may require a certain number of hours in the aircraft you'll be flying. This is more of a reaction to insurance requirements, not a downplay on your flying skills. However, this is all pure speculation because they are all different.

 

[webmaster]

Concur with A4s and the rest, take the time, pay the $150 or whatever, and get it after you get winged. Never hurts. jboomer/others, sorry I wouldn't know how to go about getting it now, seems like some good info is getting thrown about.

//threadjack

jboomer, no offense here, understand there are two sides to the "locked thread" issue. I updated it last week, and the forum automatically locks threads after 90 days of no posts.

 

[Banjo33]

Steve:
Don't know if the link you posted is the one I remember or not(yours won't work), but here's one...although I thought I remember this topic coming up farther back than December. I even remember posting, but my post isn't in this thread. Here's one for reference: http://www.airwarriors.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9208&page=2&pp=20&highlight=Locked+threads

So my statement WAS completely accurate. The thread never mentions a "management level" decision. Just one mod (or 3) locking threads because they're tired of "seeing old threads resurrected...". I was misunderstood because all of the facts weren't out about this issue. You may have known them and the mods may have known them, but no one else did.

Your initial post in this thread was disrespectful and in my eyes directed at the Webmaster.

Nope, he's always more than helpful. It was directed at the person/s I suspected were responsible...I assumed it was 1 or more of the mods in the other threads that up and decided "locking each one is getting old, I'll just lock them all and they can sort it out." Of course, as mentioned, I never saw the pole that was started on this topic.

Yeah, I read the FAR/AIM. That thing isn't written very clearly. Doesn't get into the specifics I was looking for either.

You just didn't/don't know what you need to do in order to actually rent from the FBO.

That's where I am now. Your last post pretty much sums it up I guess. I hoped FBO's were pretty "standardized" that way a blanket comment would be mostly accurate involving all FBO's but as mentioned by you and the variety of other requirements added by other posters in this thread that's not the case at all. It is odd though that it's the actual instructors making those decisions at the local FBO...but, I guess everyone's story is different so it's easier to lay down their requirements on an individual basis. If I could get one of these guys on the horn maybe I could get some real answers.