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IWC Board June 2020

PringleMan

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I dont really follow that logic.

Intel requires much of the same clearances as Crypto. There's plenty of 1830s at NIOCs

Because Navy intel is owned by the Navy, while Navy Crypto is actually owned by the NSA. So my clearance is still good to go while I am at Navy commands and Navy programs, but not while I am at programs owned by non-DoD departments. Yea, super screwy. Total nonsense from an actual security perspective. Apparently though the NSA and also the State Department get exceptionally touchy about their programs and that reciprocity.
 

Hair Warrior

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Contributor
Because Navy intel is owned by the Navy, while Navy Crypto is actually owned by the NSA.
This is not entirely correct. The mission of the United States Navy is to man, train, and equip combat-ready sailors. NSA is a combat support agency. Just because a sailor is an 181X designator or a CT rate not make them automatically part of the NSA. So, the Navy's cryptologic warfare community is manned, trained, and equipped by OPNAV N2/N6 (DCNO IW) not DIRNSA. Going one layer down, the NSA is comprised of both NIP and MIP funding. All active and reserve USN personnel assigned or attached to NSA are paid for with MIP funds, and their clearances go through the Navy element (because they will receive Navy training prior to being assigned or attached to any joint or interagency organization). The exact ratio of NIP to MIP funding at the combat support agencies is not disclosed.
 

PringleMan

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This is not entirely correct. The mission of the United States Navy is to man, train, and equip combat-ready sailors. NSA is a combat support agency. Just because a sailor is an 181X designator or a CT rate not make them automatically part of the NSA. So, the Navy's cryptologic warfare community is manned, trained, and equipped by OPNAV N2/N6 (DCNO IW) not DIRNSA. Going one layer down, the NSA is comprised of both NIP and MIP funding. All active and reserve USN personnel assigned or attached to NSA are paid for with MIP funds, and their clearances go through the Navy element (because they will receive Navy training prior to being assigned or attached to any joint or interagency organization). The exact ratio of NIP to MIP funding at the combat support agencies is not disclosed.

I was referring to the ownership of the actual programs and projects that make up the field, not the manning and funding. NSA is the controlling agency for cryptological activities, and doles out management responsibility for the Navy to 10th fleet as the Navy's cryptologic management element. That is why the 1810s are calling that screening lady at CyberCom too, not just the CWEs. Even working at, for example, a NIOC you are not attached to the NSA but you are probably working on a program that is actually operationally owned by the NSA or another agency. So you are absolutely right, you do not magically become part of the NSA. However a significantly large enough majority of programs on which 1810s work are operationally owned by the NSA or other agencies, and they maintain their own authority to issue approval to read into their programs.

Hence my weird situation. For any DoD-owned program, my clearance is fine. For an FCC or NSA-owned program, they take exception to some of my family details. It was ruled that it would be too unlikely for me to be able to get the necessary waivers every time I would PCS. 1830, on the other hand, certainly can and does touch on cyber and crypto, but that is only a portion of the possible locations and assignments. I would still need waivers to go work on those kinds of programs, but any other programs owned by the DoD would be fine for me to go to. Like my current posting, for example. This all came straight from the 1810 and 1830 OCMs, this is not speculation.
 
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CWO_change

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I dont really follow that logic.

Intel requires much of the same clearances as Crypto. There's plenty of 1830s at NIOCs

That hasn't been my experience at all regarding 1830s at NIOCs. In my experience (3.5 years at NIOC Hawaii and now at one of the CWG Six commands), there are not very many 1830s at NIOCs. And those that are there tend to be senior officers. In fact, at NIOC Hawaii, there have been less than a handful of 1830s at the Command in the last 5 years, and those include two Commanding Officers and one CDR billet. We did have an 1800 METOC O-6 serve as Chief Staff Officer for a couple of years and one of the Group Six subordinate command XOs is a METOC officer, but NIOCs are overwhelmingly cryppies followed by 1820s as the next most common group, with the other communities making up very few billets at these commands. I doubt that things are different at the other NIOCs . . . and when you look at the PRD Slates published in the Cryptologic Warfare Officer group on Milsuite, you do not really see any 1830 billets popping up at the NIOCs.

In Hawaii, most 1830s at shore commands were at either PACOM (primarily at the JIOC) or PACFLT it seemed. Most shore based 1830s in the DMV area seem to be at ONI, DIA or the Pentagon.
 

Fitzou

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That hasn't been my experience at all regarding 1830s at NIOCs. In my experience (3.5 years at NIOC Hawaii and now at one of the CWG Six commands), there are not very many 1830s at NIOCs. And those that are there tend to be senior officers. In fact, at NIOC Hawaii, there have been less than a handful of 1830s at the Command in the last 5 years, and those include two Commanding Officers and one CDR billet. We did have an 1800 METOC O-6 serve as Chief Staff Officer for a couple of years and one of the Group Six subordinate command XOs is a METOC officer, but NIOCs are overwhelmingly cryppies followed by 1820s as the next most common group, with the other communities making up very few billets at these commands. I doubt that things are different at the other NIOCs . . . and when you look at the PRD Slates published in the Cryptologic Warfare Officer group on Milsuite, you do not really see any 1830 billets popping up at the NIOCs.

In Hawaii, most 1830s at shore commands were at either PACOM (primarily at the JIOC) or PACFLT it seemed. Most shore based 1830s in the DMV area seem to be at ONI, DIA or the Pentagon.

I guess I was too general with "plenty". I know there are at least few 1830s at NIOCs, I just find his clearance issue between 1810 and 1830 to be quite odd.
 

cebo12

Member
Hey has anyone done their SSO Navy interview yet? I'm wondering about how long it takes to hear back. I had to submit a foreign associations form for a roommate and now I'm biting my nails a bit
 

Ancalagon

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Hey has anyone done their SSO Navy interview yet? I'm wondering about how long it takes to hear back. I had to submit a foreign associations form for a roommate and now I'm biting my nails a bit

I did mine about a week after getting official ProRec-Y. You can ask your recruiter to check on it maybe, but if you haven't heard anything negative yet then I wouldn't be too worried. I also had plenty of foreign contacts.
 

BasketballisLife

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I did mine about a week after getting official ProRec-Y. You can ask your recruiter to check on it maybe, but if you haven't heard anything negative yet then I wouldn't be too worried. I also had plenty of foreign contacts.

Good Afternoon all. For the Active Duty that applied for this board, have you guys been given OCS report dates yet?
 

T. Blue

Member
With the results coming out for the March board I thought I'd start the June board thread.

I'm submitting my package for IP 1820 next week with the following:

ITC with 10 years AD
IW/SW/AW
Master Training Specialist
Evals EP, EP, EP, P, MP, MP
SEC+, CySA+
Bachelors in History: 2.37 (Did get a C in Calc I)
Masters in IT Telecommunications Management: 4.00
OAR: 54
ACFL with Excellent PRTs
LOR: O6 1820
Appraisals: O6 1820, O5 1820, and O4 1820

I threw in the SWO/IP option too, but doesn't look like they've been selecting anyone for it. Personal statement is 100% geared toward being an IP.

Just crossing my fingers my undergrad GPA doesn't kill me here.

Would you be willing to share your IP motivational statement?
 
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