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Helo Question
- Thread starter Fly Navy
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gatordev said:
In addition, many of the capabilities that we advertise and train to are based on a 2 pilot system. One extra person is always there to grab the controls, or put in a last minute correction. If we went to a pilot/nfo arrangement we would need to rethink our capabilities and possibly reduce them.
In the MH53E world, the right seat is the pilot seat, and the left seat is the copilot seat. Most of the time in the Navy 53, the HAC sits left and copilot sits right. When I went through HMT-302 (with the USMC CH bubbas), it was the opposite, so I guess in the long run it doesn't matter. Some switches and whatnot (APU) on the right side only.
It is a good questions why 2 pilots are required. There are some mission doing vertrep (which we don't do in 53s) where a pilot swap is necessary, but most of the time the other pilot just functions as a copilot (swithcing radios, yadda yadda yadda). Gatordev and HH-60H have good points about why.
It is a good questions why 2 pilots are required. There are some mission doing vertrep (which we don't do in 53s) where a pilot swap is necessary, but most of the time the other pilot just functions as a copilot (swithcing radios, yadda yadda yadda). Gatordev and HH-60H have good points about why.
squeeze said:
The flying pilot rarely rakes his hands off but prior to an airframes change you had to switch the selector for radio one and two. In an attack you had to reach down for the master arm, cycle the transponderwhen ATC gives you a different squack etc. I go out and do FCFs with a LCpl in the front seat, some can tune radios some cant I can switch between ground and tower in a 5ft hover/air taxi and the bird doesnt flip over. Either I am a much better pilot than that guy or he is blowing some smoke up your @ss. I would be curious as to how long he was in a fleet squadron and what qualls he had.
Per NATOPS and OPNAV we are a singel piloted aircraft. No CO will allow you to go fly SOLO probably but NATOPS does.
I found squeeze's comment hard to believe, as well, but far be it from me to say how a Cobra works. 
Skid, is the LCpl for ATABS (or VATS)? The AW would always run it in the back for us, except when we needed the camera. Not sure if you use a camera since your blades aren't fully articulated.
Skid, is the LCpl for ATABS (or VATS)? The AW would always run it in the back for us, except when we needed the camera. Not sure if you use a camera since your blades aren't fully articulated.
Yes they run the Vibe anal/Vibe Ex gear from the front but I take them out for full cards too, it is a good deal for the testers and if it doesnt work right they can start thinking through the maintenance. I let them fly a little from time to time.
If it is a really questionable bird or there is a histopry of control issues I take a pilot just so they can feel the front seat controls to make sure they are ok.
Do 60s require two pilots to test like the 46s and 53s do?
If it is a really questionable bird or there is a histopry of control issues I take a pilot just so they can feel the front seat controls to make sure they are ok.
Do 60s require two pilots to test like the 46s and 53s do?
Rnln
In the Royal Netherlands Navy, the concept is 1 pilot (right seat) and 1 NFO (left seat) on the SH-14 Lynx Helicopter. Only on a SAR mission (shore-based)the co-pilot will replace the NFO and a Doctor is added to the Flightcrew. Till the end of the '90s it was possible to occupy pilot positions in the RNLN as an enlisted person. Strange situations while the rest of the crew were officers except the HAC...they're all officers now.
In the Royal Army (UK) the Lynx pilots are still enlisted guys (Flight sergeants). If you make through Flight training, there's no need to boost your rank to Officer must be the thought out there. If you're qualed, take the job but don't expect any priveliges!
In the Royal Netherlands Navy, the concept is 1 pilot (right seat) and 1 NFO (left seat) on the SH-14 Lynx Helicopter. Only on a SAR mission (shore-based)the co-pilot will replace the NFO and a Doctor is added to the Flightcrew. Till the end of the '90s it was possible to occupy pilot positions in the RNLN as an enlisted person. Strange situations while the rest of the crew were officers except the HAC...they're all officers now.
In the Royal Army (UK) the Lynx pilots are still enlisted guys (Flight sergeants). If you make through Flight training, there's no need to boost your rank to Officer must be the thought out there. If you're qualed, take the job but don't expect any priveliges!
jai5w4 said:
The right seat does have a better view, but you can request a left landing depending what spot you are charlie'd to. The LSE will just move further port so the left seat guy has a better view of him/her. You put the position lights on flashing to let the LSE know it is a left seat landing.
jai5w4 said:
Or do you suppose the reason we come up the port side is because the pilot is in the right seat?
It would be perfectly possible for SOP to be landing on spots 1 and 2 from the stbd side because the pilot was in the left seat.
I think the answer to this question is "that's just the way it is" and the real reason is based on some unique circumstance hidden the history of the helicopter. I think many of the reasons that people have suggested, are actually the effect not the cause.
Fly Navy said:
Supposedly, when ol' Igor Sikorsky was putting together the first helo, he only had one collective control for two seats. It was in the middle, so the PIC sat in the right, so that he had the preferred control configuration--pwr in left, cyclic in right.