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Brett327 said:
Something that was brought up on another platform is that we would immediately lose access to every base we have in Europe, or at least be in a very precarious position there. Of course, none of this has been thought through by the WH. Rota, Moron, Aviano - gone, Naples - gone, Sig - gone, Souda Bay - gone, every base in Germany and the UK - gone, BMD bases in Poland & Romania - gone, Keflavik - gone, EUCOM HQ - gone. All that for some fucking mineral rights? Complete absurdity.
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I think in general the MAGA crowd sees those bases as the US "protecting" Europe out of the kindness of our hearts and values and at the cost of our checkbook without any understanding that they are strategically critical for our own interests military and otherwise, and often well beyond Europe.
 
Brett327 said:
Something that was brought up on another platform is that we would immediately lose access to every base we have in Europe, or at least be in a very precarious position there. Of course, none of this has been thought through by the WH. Rota, Moron, Aviano - gone, Naples - gone, Sig - gone, Souda Bay - gone, every base in Germany and the UK - gone, BMD bases in Poland & Romania - gone, Keflavik - gone, EUCOM HQ - gone. All that for some fucking mineral rights? Complete absurdity.
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It wouldn't be a unified response--much messier, and therefore better for Putin.

Germany MIGHT close US bases, but highly unlikely that Poland would. And so European NATO is further fractured, which would be debilitating to the European support to Ukraine.

It's not hard to see who wins big with these shenanigans.
 
DanMa1156 said:
I think in general the MAGA crowd sees those bases as the US "protecting" Europe out of the kindness of our hearts and values and at the cost of our checkbook without any understanding that they are strategically critical for our own interests military and otherwise, and often well beyond Europe.
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A quarter of the active US Army is in a nearly decade long rotational cycle of to protect the eastern flank, and it is eroding readiness and retention in ways that white papers are written about.

Pretending that NATO partner nations like Germany haven’t actively taken advantage of the US bearing the cost of the collective protection is just ignoring the actual truth which pre-Trump 16 that was a bipartisan view. They’ve got a years long road to go on spending and efforts to try and rectify that situation.
 
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IRfly said:
It wouldn't be a unified response--much messier, and therefore better for Putin.

Germany MIGHT close US bases, but highly unlikely that Poland would. And so European NATO is further fractured, which would be debilitating to the European support to Ukraine.

It's not hard to see who wins big with these shenanigans.
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I mean, how much bigger could Russia have already won if Obama let them invade Ukraine in 2014 and then they invaded again in 2022 under Biden.
 
IRfly said:
It wouldn't be a unified response--much messier, and therefore better for Putin.

Germany MIGHT close US bases, but highly unlikely that Poland would. And so European NATO is further fractured, which would be debilitating to the European support to Ukraine.
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Do folks not realize that violating not one but two treaties we have signed it basically invalidates every piece of paper we have ever signed as a country? Every treaty, trade agreement and defense pact would be worthless, to include treaties with countries like Japan and the Philippines and even our closest allies, the 'Five Eyes'.

Why would anyone, from Poland to Singapore and everyone in between, ever trust us again? Are people really that stupid not to see that?

Lawman said:
A quarter of the active US Army is in a nearly decade long rotational cycle of to protect the eastern flank, and it is eroding readiness and retention in ways that white papers are written about.
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If a 6-7000 troop rotation to Europe is taking up a 'quarter of the Army' and 'eroding readiness and retention' that sounds a bit more like an Army problem.

Even then, none of that in any way justifies getting into a conflict with a longstanding close ally who has done nothing to against this country.
 
Yardstick said:
I mean, how much bigger could Russia have already won if Obama let them invade Ukraine in 2014 and then they invaded again in 2022 under Biden.
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Just like how we've 'let' Russia continue to gain territory in the last year?
 
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