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FY 20 IWC DCO Board

Reservist said:
Makes me mad and it should make you mad if/when it happens to you.
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? Been around 17 years and I don't tolerate stuff like this. I always escalate these things because most times, people above have no idea. If someone gives me a "no" with no reason or reference, or with a b.s. reason, I move on the next person.

Reservist said:
It's terrible for morale and usually myopic. I'm sure there is some good behind the Senior O in question here - but I think he's refusing to look past his own nose on this one and makes many folks miserable.
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Is this one of the NAVIFOR Regional N7's? His boss is the CNIFR N7 so am wondering if this is coming down from CNIFR.
 
Reservist said:
There are a good number of JO Intel types that are prior enlisted intel specialists and some that are three letter agency types that should be able to waiver out of the 5 week school too. That reality has been ignored by the folks running the RNIOBC the last year or so - but those very same folks would be ideal to push through the RNIOBC.
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Those dummies have always been averse to waiving anything, even when I went through NIOBC-RES back in 2009. And this was the one where all new 1835's did IDTT to their region HQ for every DWE for 18 months, after which we would do a 2 week capstone course.
 
bubblehead said:
? Been around 17 years and I don't tolerate stuff like this. I always escalate these things because most times, people above have no idea. If someone gives me a "no" with no reason or reference, or with a b.s. reason, I move on the next person.


Is this one of the NAVIFOR Regional N7's? His boss is the CNIFR N7 so am wondering if this is coming down from CNIFR.
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I'm in contact with NAVIFOR Regional and my waiver is at CNIFR. I haven't gone around NAVIFOR but I sincerely believe something is really wrong with NAVIFOR Regional and I think they are ignoring the spirit of CNIFR directions. Every time I interact with them they find a a way to say no or create a problem for me. I just want to complete the damn training and put them in the review mirror - I know there will always be another kink in the chain but at least I can put these guys behind me.

It's really strange working with them. Thanks for reinforcing what I suspected is true. I could go on and on with my story in support of my position - but I know I'm right and so do several other folks that are getting dealt a similar hand - though a few had better luck and it just all seems so arbitrary.
 
I understand you may be frustrated by the sense that waivers were not handed out fairly or by merit. If you are close to busting the 36 month deadline for your 3I1 PQS, you can advocate up your chain of command for a 12 month extension.

It should be no factor, however, if you end up doing a 5 week training in Dam Neck instead of an ad hoc 2 week training online. There are a lot worse situations out there in the Navy and the world. If you end up at Dam Neck, do your best, use the time to improve any weak points, and help fellow JOs around you do the same. Consider having a mindset that the goal is not to meet the minimum but rather to get better every day, for the benefit of sailors you’ll lead and operators/ decision makers you’ll support.
 
Hair Warrior said:
I understand you may be frustrated by the sense that waivers were not handed out fairly or by merit. If you are close to busting the 36 month deadline for your 3I1 PQS, you can advocate up your chain of command for a 12 month extension.

It should be no factor, however, if you end up doing a 5 week training in Dam Neck instead of an ad hoc 2 week training online. There are a lot worse situations out there in the Navy and the world. If you end up at Dam Neck, do your best, use the time to improve any weak points, and help fellow JOs around you do the same. Consider having a mindset that the goal is not to meet the minimum but rather to get better every day, for the benefit of sailors you’ll lead and operators/ decision makers you’ll support.
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I've got two years before I hit the 36 month deadline. I'm not too worried about getting it done. It's what else I have to give up to get it done and how arbitrary decision after decision by NAVIFOR and CNIFR keeps jamming things up for me and others. That being said - I'ver had a few lucky breaks this year too - so it's not all bad. None of them were from NAVIFOR or CNIFR sadly.

I get where you are coming from HW and I appreciate the perspective - I do - I just am not sure you get where I'm coming from on this though you might. I can tell you have some ear towards my point.

I'll complete the program.

I'm not going to try to convince you of my position either - but I will say that waivers exist for a reason. Or at least they used to. If a person has a decade of Navy intel experience, or three letter agency experience, or was a Navy Chief - a phase I NIOBC is reasonable and was very easy to get until recently.

In fact, the waiver change with NIOBC and the DCOIC and ODS changes all happened about the same time changing the game completely for many that were prior service that came to the DCO path expecting something different with this pipeline. And I have to say - while I do make the best of it - there is no way that this stuff was good for morale for those like me that this has continued to impact. It's been a morale killer - it's only that good sailors find a way to stay engaged and sailor on.

I'm about positive as they get - but I don't even pretend to agree with stuff I see as wrong. That doesn't mean I will not make the best of it.

Much of this waiver stuff and the arbitrariness of the recent two week RNIOC is wrong. If you sat were I sat you'd agree but we came into the Navy through different roads. I can see your side. Sill we both went DCO if I recall correctly but got here different ways so you are more willing accept the new status quo that's fine.
 
Good - keep that positivity. Like you, I had no golden ticket or congressman’s endorsement to get into our program.

I wish I could tell you the bureaucracy dies down, but it doesn’t. I wish I could tell you the goalposts won’t move again, but they might.

I’m no puppet for the status quo. When the administrivia and silly games happen, I just focus on what I can control (which ain’t much). Several of my peers are already talking about dropping to the IRR. I sympathize with them, and I wouldn’t fault them if they did it.

At the same time though, I think about why I wanted to be a naval officer in the first place, and what I can achieve if I just take it one day at a time.
 
Did an Apr board take place/when? My OR was last holding firm on a May date, but I think the AW consensus was that an Apr board was proceeding...
 
bubblehead said:
Do you mean IRR-VTU? If they are O4's that's a good plan. If they are O3's that could be a short lived exercise (ie, 2xFOS for O4).
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They are DIRCOM ENS, LTJG, and LTs. Most are just considering IRR-nuthin (ASP?).

They don’t want to drill and don’t want to mob. They aren’t concerned about getting retirement.

No one’s pulled the trigger yet to quit SELRES - that I know of - so it may be all talk.
 
It's a fair question. I don't presume to know their motives - I am just repeating what I've been told. And, I'm intentionally being vague to avoid identifying anyone in particular.

Some examples are job changes to OCONUS, and health-related issues with an immediate family member.
 
jad3105 said:
Did an Apr board take place/when? My OR was last holding firm on a May date, but I think the AW consensus was that an Apr board was proceeding...
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When I spoke to my OR on 23APR I was informed by him that the board was in the final review stage. I'm learning patience through all of this as it seems to be a hurry up and wait deal.
 
Hair Warrior said:
They are DIRCOM ENS, LTJG, and LTs. Most are just considering IRR-nuthin (ASP?).

They don’t want to drill and don’t want to mob. They aren’t concerned about getting retirement.

No one’s pulled the trigger yet to quit SELRES - that I know of - so it may be all talk.
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I need to find the reference as I though they were not approving requests for SELRES to go to IRR-ASP.

snake020 said:
Why did they join to begin with?
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Things change. Often times, people come in with a certain set of expectations and become disappointed. Some people want to come in with the goal of associating themselves with SEALs, doing a SEAL-related mobilization, and then resigning, after which they incessantly advertise their Veteran status and deployment. To each their own.

My goal when I came back in was to hit my 20. So, I really didn't give a crap about my expectations because I had a goal.
 
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