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For those who are voluntold or are going to volunteer for Vance AFB flight training!

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jg5343

FLY NAVY...Divers need the work
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Why would anyone want pain when they can get the same or better training without it?

If it's self abuse you like, there are many shrinks out there that have couch space for you. They can probably help you get rid of those delusions of grandeur too.
It is not that bad, and remember we are dealing with the AF. AF=$$ We have the best simulator training/trainers here hands down. I have spoken with those in P-cola and in Corpus and neither of them compare to the facility that the AF paid for here. Not to mention all the plasma screens and bars in the squadron. We get to drink beer with the IPs almost every night after the last jet has landed. And the 12 hour days only last a couple of months if your class is doing well.
 

Blacky

Props, baby!
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I will have to say I like it here for a few reasons.
1) I fly every day and sometimes twice a day. And they can always tell me in advance what is coming.
Same thing in navy primary. And anyone smart enough to open and read their syllabus book will know well in advance what is coming.

2) I have a guaranteed grad date.
Not knowing when you'll be done is half the fun. I mean, who wants absolutes in life? Learn to flex.

3) They spoon feed you everything and will never expect you to know it unless there was a class taught on the subject.
I seriously can't think of why this would be an advantage. It may seem great at first, but it's going to set you up to take a fall later. Try telling the guy giving your STANX that he can't ask you something cuz it wasn't specifically covered in a class.

4) The T6 is BAD ASS!!
Once again, it might seem cool at first, but does it really matter which baby planes you fly? It's not like you're going to service select the Texan, and you're only there for 5 months so who cares what you fly?

I'm not trying to bash you cuz you're definitely entitled to your oppinion. But don't get all bent out of shape when you discover that in the real world nothing is absolutely set in stone, and that the big boys don't spoon feed you everything you need to know.
 

jg5343

FLY NAVY...Divers need the work
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Just trying to make the best of my situation, Blacky. I think it does matter what baby plane you fly. The T-6 has systems like those of advanced aircraft, not those of a C-172 like the T-34. If you start using/learning them now it makes it that much easier to transition. There is a reserve Navy guy here that teaches the sims that does his drill work as an instructor in the t-45 out of Meridian. He firmly believes that the guys that flew the T-6 have an edge over those that flew -34s once they get to advanced to fly the T-45. His opinion, not mine so take it for what its worth.
 

gregsivers

damn homeowners' associations
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I think it does matter what baby plane you fly. The T-6 has systems like those of advanced aircraft, not those of a C-172 like the T-34. If you start using/learning them now it makes it that much easier to transition.
Hmm, I suppose all the naval aviators before us who've winged had problems transitioning from steam gauges to glass cockpits. I highly doubt its much of a problem, cause the TH-57 has NOTHING advanced in it, at least not the B. And as Blacky said, you're only there for 5-6 months. The T-34 has a GPS in it, and I left there with no clue how to operate the damn thing. But hey have fun with the AF, better you than me.
 

Chubby

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The T-6 has systems like those of advanced aircraft, not those of a C-172 like the T-34. If you start using/learning them now it makes it that much easier to transition.
Just keep in mind that all of those gucci systems can become just as much of a crutch as an aid. Don't forget the basics, especially at this stage of the game.
 

jg5343

FLY NAVY...Divers need the work
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We are not allowed to used the GPS in the area or on the recovery until after our mid phase check ride, but I can definitely see it being a crutch if you let. The GPSs are the same except the T-6 allows you to move the map to the HSI where you can sort of superimpose the compass card on top of the moving map. Its pretty sweet.
I don't think it is that hard to transition to a new plane, but it sure would make it easier if you already knew how 10% of the stuff worked. (small stuff, granted, but g-suit, OBOGS, pressurization, ejection seat, etc can be an easy transition if you've had it before)
 

zippy

Freedom!
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AF=$$...plasma screens and bars in the squadron. We get to drink beer with the IPs almost every night after the last jet has landed. And the 12 hour days only last a couple of months if your class is doing well.
Yeah, the last thing thing my friends and I want to do is hang around until LPOD and stay in the spaces longer to drink with our ips when we could be home after our last flight, or for the entire day if were not sked for that matter, and doing something more fun like cooking out on the beach etc and going to the bars... Not that im bashing drinking with the IPs, its just cooler doing it outside the squadron, either at parties or when we run into them at the bars. Keep the plasma screens, typically the only times we get stuck in the squadron for 12hrs in a row is when we've got duty.
 

jg5343

FLY NAVY...Divers need the work
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I am in no way saying volunteer to go AF if you don't want to. All I am saying is that it is not that bad. I agree with everything you all have said and would love to be flying with the Navy.
 

Gatordev

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Guys, we made it through almost 2 pages without getting into the "which is better" argument. Can we let it go? Some people like AF training, some don't. Move on.
 

FLY_USMC

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I think going from steam gauges to a glass cockpit sucks big time if and only IF you're going to an airspeed tape. I like how the T-6 has an efis airspeed indicator and no tape. It's hard to explain(I've never flown anything with a HUD, probably similar) but at times with a tape, you have to think a milisecond longer to see and analyze your airspeed whereas being visual creatures, the old school steam gauge is extremely easy. Sky pointer versus no sky pointer for AI, HDHI's, whatever also suck, having that little sucker go opposite your turn, versus other aircraft having it go the direction of your turn, can really suck. Going to the Air Force side? Hell, ask for the 37, you'll probably get a chance to fly the T-6 eventually down the road, might as well say you've flown a legend, a pos legend.
 

Fly Navy

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I think going from steam gauges to a glass cockpit sucks big time if and only IF you're going to an airspeed tape.
Learning the rate of change and such associated with glass cockpit and digital readouts is tough. In a climb, I STILL use my ADI output for altitude, which has a digital altitude pointer that moves like the old steam gauge. It's just easier.
 

squeeze

Harrier Dude
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Steam gauges to HUD isn't that big a jump. Sure there is a learning curve, but it's not a big one. I flew the T-34, then the A-model T-45 (that has a worthless HUD), and went right into the Harrier, which is a no-sh_t HUD-only, glass cockpit aircraft. Sure, there are backup guages, but they are small and in a bad location (right behind the stick) and you don't scan them unless your HUD breaks... even then you can pull the HUD up in the MPCDs.

Glass cockpits came about because they're easier to scan, and provide more useful information to the pilot more rapidly. So you can stop kidding yourselves that because you fly a "glass cockpit" T-6 (haha) you are somehow more prepared for a fleet aircraft. I would argue any day that the basic stick and rudder skills learned in a plane like the T-34 trump any gucci crap you may find in the T-6... plus, you don't have to deal with Air Force faggotry.
 
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