The program is 100 percent voluntary and if you drop or fail it, you get sent to normal primary. I see no issue with it as it eats helo billets for those who don't want helos and those who do, get them guaranteed. I do wish we got a chance to "try out" helos before deciding though like maybe do 1 flight to see if we like them.
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The ability to drop and go to regular primary won’t always be an option if this becomes a normal part of the pipeline. Doing this will limit your future options to fly fixed wing such as in the VTs or VRs.
Unhappy with their exp in primary.
I guess I’m asking why enough people are unhappy with their primary experience for coptr to be noticeably different. Also what’s different about coptr that’s not making them unhappy.
My guess is that COPTR works the navy will simply gonkulate the number of rotary wing pilots needed and draft that number to helos. That’s an easy fix. I don’t know what they are going to do about FW training…but taking three or four years to get a pilot into a strike cockpit isn’t a good plan.
On paper maybe, but reality will likely be different without any fixed wing training time.
Skywalker
Student Naval Aviator
I imagine that the stress of not knowing what comes after is probably taken away with COPTR - knowing where I was going made the T-44 and T-45 very fun even though those syllabi expected more of me as a student. Primary would’ve been an absolute blast if I wasn’t worried about grades and certain instructors didn’t use those concerns to beat students over the head.
Just out of curiosity, how did you “know” where you were going while in primary?
Skywalker
Student Naval Aviator
I didn’t, and that’s my point - the 44 and 45 are more difficult aircraft with more difficult syllabi but it’s been an absolute blast because I know what comes after. COPTR can be exclusively about learning how to fly for those students because they already know what they’re going to get.
Thanks, I got what you were writing entirely backwards.
If you’re saying though they cut out a lot of the Academics - I’d be really curious how those students do in Advanced and the FRS. Primary taught me so many fundamentals and more importantly- how to study the academics.
What is the normal primary flight hours these days? 50 is literally half of what I received in primary, so it seems absurdly low, but I don’t know how it stacks up against the modern syllabus.
Also if it really is 30-50 hours less than traditional primary, that’s literally months added to hac progression at the fleet when we already have a hard time hitting timelines. Not to mention 30-50 flight hours the fleet gets to eat that aren’t really accounted for.
Also if it really is 30-50 hours less than traditional primary, that’s literally months added to hac progression at the fleet when we already have a hard time hitting timelines. Not to mention 30-50 flight hours the fleet gets to eat that aren’t really accounted for.
How will this scale up if it expands from pilot program to a full alternative path? I’m sure it’s easy to find 48 volunteers (especially with what appears to be a large Uscg contingent), but do you think you’ll find XX volunteers for a scaled up program?
CNAF 3710 has already reduced how many flight hours are required to make HAC, presumably for this program, if not for just lower flight hours JOs are getting these days across the board.