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Bringing a non-ID holder on base

Flash

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Have an access point that does not go on base. The Air Force, Marine Corps, and the Army has figured it out. Get better.

The Army and Marines had the luxury of building their respective museums (or cathedral for the Marines) very recently with direct public access built in from the start, whereas the Naval Aviation Museum did not have that luxury and is set back a considerable distance from the base entrances (well over a mile IIRC). It's been a long time since I've been to the USAF Museum so I don't know the current setup there.
 

jmcquate

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The Army and Marines had the luxury of building their respective museums (or cathedral for the Marines) very recently with direct public access built in from the start, whereas the Naval Aviation Museum did not have that luxury and is set back a considerable distance from the base entrances (well over a mile IIRC). It's been a long time since I've been to the USAF Museum so I don't know the current setup there.
Fair points, but the solution is still an access point outside of the Base security perimeter. The AF Museum is on old Wright Field. It's on AF property, but is outside of the perimeter. Although the restoration and storage facilities are located in the Hangers along the Wright Field ramp and are inside the perimeter and you need credentials to visit if not on an organized tour.
 

Flash

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Fair points, but the solution is still an access point outside of the Base security perimeter. The AF Museum is on old Wright Field. It's on AF property, but is outside of the perimeter. Although the restoration and storage facilities are located in the Hangers along the Wright Field ramp and are inside the perimeter and you need credentials to visit if not on an organized tour.

I have no idea how Pensacola would be able to do that given how far inside the base it is.
 

GroundPounder

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I have no idea how Pensacola would be able to do that given how far inside the base it is.
How about a parking lot built on the city side of the gate, and a shuttle van that runs back and forth every 30 minutes. Build a fence around the museum and then the folks that are brought in are in a " secure " area. It has been a few years since I was at the USAF museum in Dayton, but they have a smaller version of this when they take you over to the AF 1 hanger.


A successful solution should have the city / county and state participate financially, as the closure must affect local tourism. It would seem that as important as the Navy is to Florida, that some state senator or representative could be the champion of providing access to the site to the public.
In addition, 19 Fortune 500 companies are headquartered in Florida. There has to be a few people at the top of those corporations that are former Navy or had family that were. Maybe they want to sponsor the Publix Shuttle bus?

It would take higher level of support, but could the parking lot be built by SeaBea reserve units on their AT? Name the lot after Marvin Shields, and have a display within the museum that tells his story, and has information on where to visit the SeaBea museum.
 

johnboyA6E

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NASP website says CAC holders can escort up to 15 guests without a CAC, but the Museum page says DoD only??

Does this mean that you can bring a guest onto the base, but not into the museum?

update: disregard,
"DoD ID card holders can escort guests, but must remain with them at all times."
 
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Griz882

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Assuming the NAM wants the visitors, their only solutions are big dollar solutions. First the museum needs a runway if for nothing else then occasional air shows. The federal government would need to reclaim, or release, some training land. The old OLF at Perdido could be expanded and a new museum built there with full public access. The OLF at Santa Rosa would be even better because of the existing roads near there. Of course the best best would be to do what the army did at Belvoir…surrender half the golf course to the museum and create a new road for entry. In other words, push the NASP entry gate back about 3/10 of a mile, draw a line just above the tennis courts across the little peninsula, give that to the museum and build a fence to match the new gate.
 

Griz882

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Assuming the NAM wants the visitors, their only solutions are big dollar solutions. First the museum needs a runway if for nothing else then occasional air shows. The federal government would need to reclaim, or release, some training land. The old OLF at Perdido could be expanded and a new museum built there with full public access. The OLF at Santa Rosa would be even better because of the existing roads near there. Of course the best best would be to do what the army did at Belvoir…surrender half the golf course to the museum and create a new road for entry. In other words, push the NASP entry gate back about 3/10 of a mile, draw a line just above the tennis courts across the little peninsula, give that to the museum and build a fence to match the new gate.
Never mind…just looked at a map. Move it out to Fallon NV. Plenty of cheap, empty land out there! ?
 

Hair Warrior

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surrender half the golf course to the museum

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nittany03

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Assuming the NAM wants the visitors, their only solutions are big dollar solutions. First the museum needs a runway if for nothing else then occasional air shows. The federal government would need to reclaim, or release, some training land. The old OLF at Perdido could be expanded and a new museum built there with full public access. The OLF at Santa Rosa would be even better because of the existing roads near there. Of course the best best would be to do what the army did at Belvoir…surrender half the golf course to the museum and create a new road for entry. In other words, push the NASP entry gate back about 3/10 of a mile, draw a line just above the tennis courts across the little peninsula, give that to the museum and build a fence to match the new gate.
There's the minor detail that at NASP, the golf course is on the complete opposite end of base . . .
 

Griz882

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Was it Half the course, or just one of 3 courses? I've played on two Belvoir courses in the last month.
About half of the lower course. You know the area but I’m not a golfer so I don’t know if it had an official name or how they restructured the old courses. I’ll edit in an addition…when it all started I recommended the land the clubhouse sits on with the road coming up the hill (as it does now) but all the way to the top. I wasn’t a popular guy with base golf mafia…a strong and deadly mob.
 
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