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Bringing a non-ID holder on base

GroundPounder

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FinkUFreaky said:
Used to be true. Not since the Saudi shooting though... Unless something's changed real recently, need someone with a CAC to escort onbase at NASP now. Great response, right? Foreign national shoots up Americans, let's ban Americans from access to the museum.
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How long can the museum operate if the public can't get to it? Maybe I am in a coma somewhere and all of this absolute f'ing craziness is a byproduct of whatever knocked me out.

I guess someone in a position of authority can now say they did " something". Not anything that made sense, but at least we didn't not take action. Under this plan the guy would have access, but a tourist would not? How does that make sense?

Someone that we were hosting attacked us, and this is the best they could come up with...





Museum Status
(current as of 17 September 2021)
Important Visitor Information
Temporary Closure to Visitors- The museum will be closed to visitors from Tuesday, October 19th through Thursday, October 21st. We will reopen at 10:00 AM on Friday, October 22nd.
New Mask Guideline- Effective immediately as directed by the Department of Defense, all visitors must wear a mask while inside the museum regardless of vaccination status.
All ID requirements outlined below remain in effect.
The National Naval Aviation Museum is open Monday through Sunday from 10 a.m. – 4 p.m. to current Department of Defense (DoD) ID cardholders. Access to NAS Pensacola is limited to current Department of Defense (DoD) ID card holders (active duty service members, retirees, and their families) and Veterans who possess a Veterans Health Identification Card (VHIC) from the Department of Veterans Affairs that displays the Veteran’s eligibility status. DoD ID card holders can escort guests as part of the Trusted Traveler Program, but must remain with their guests at all times.
Unless sponsored through the Trusted Traveler program, no civilians will be granted access onto the base until further notice, and thus will not be able to access the National Naval Aviation Museum.
We have established a special visitor information line at 850-452-8450 for answers to your questions about visiting the museum and attending Blue Angels practice air shows. Plan your visit today!
 
Gatordev

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wink said:
Does the facilities maintenance dude at the Bureau of Land Management building in Missoula just walk onto a military post? Do they scan all CAC holders IDs that might further restrict access? My retire card is scanned most times I go on base, but not universally.
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It will be labeled as a different "Agency." DoD cards have both type of individual (Active, GS, Contractor, etc) and then "Agency," which will state USN, USMC, etc. Even if they don't scan, they're still supposed to be looking at that stuff.

I wish I understood what popped up on the scanner when they scan. Obviously it's all under one DoD ID number, but if coming through on a contractor CAC, a retiree still gets saluted (if applicable), so the veteran status shows up, despite the type of card. Made more confusing if the member is also in a flight suit with no rank.
 
Griz882

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wink said:
Well, there is no accounting for military nonsense, but that would certainly be an unusual approach to security management in this instance.

Question, I see that it looks like all gov employees have a CAC card looking thing. Is that an all access pass now? Does the facilities maintenance dude at the Bureau of Land Management building in Missoula just walk onto a military post? Do they scan all CAC holders IDs that might further restrict access? My retire card is scanned most times I go on base, but not universally.
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That again depends on the base and/or facility. I can use my DoD civilian CAC to access Defense, Interior, and Agriculture facilities but not Justice, FBI, or FAA/Transportation for example. But…my wife can not use her DOI CAC to enter Fort McNair while Fort Belvoir is fine with it!
 
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Gatordev said:
It will be labeled as a different "Agency." DoD cards have both type of individual (Active, GS, Contractor, etc) and then "Agency," which will state USN, USMC, etc. Even if they don't scan, they're still supposed to be looking at that stuff.

I wish I understood what popped up on the scanner when they scan. Obviously it's all under one DoD ID number, but if coming through on a contractor CAC, a retiree still gets saluted (if applicable), so the veteran status shows up, despite the type of card. Made more confusing if the member is also in a flight suit with no rank.
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I assume its connected to the DEERS database. When I was briefly a reservist i was always surprised by the random salutes that came from a scan while I was in civies.
 
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GroundPounder said:
How long can the museum operate if the public can't get to it? Maybe I am in a coma somewhere and all of this absolute f'ing craziness is a byproduct of whatever knocked me out.

I guess someone in a position of authority can now say they did " something". Not anything that made sense, but at least we didn't not take action. Under this plan the guy would have access, but a tourist would not? How does that make sense?

Someone that we were hosting attacked us, and this is the best they could come up with...





Museum Status
(current as of 17 September 2021)
Important Visitor Information
Temporary Closure to Visitors- The museum will be closed to visitors from Tuesday, October 19th through Thursday, October 21st. We will reopen at 10:00 AM on Friday, October 22nd.
New Mask Guideline- Effective immediately as directed by the Department of Defense, all visitors must wear a mask while inside the museum regardless of vaccination status.
All ID requirements outlined below remain in effect.
The National Naval Aviation Museum is open Monday through Sunday from 10 a.m. – 4 p.m. to current Department of Defense (DoD) ID cardholders. Access to NAS Pensacola is limited to current Department of Defense (DoD) ID card holders (active duty service members, retirees, and their families) and Veterans who possess a Veterans Health Identification Card (VHIC) from the Department of Veterans Affairs that displays the Veteran’s eligibility status. DoD ID card holders can escort guests as part of the Trusted Traveler Program, but must remain with their guests at all times.
Unless sponsored through the Trusted Traveler program, no civilians will be granted access onto the base until further notice, and thus will not be able to access the National Naval Aviation Museum.
We have established a special visitor information line at 850-452-8450 for answers to your questions about visiting the museum and attending Blue Angels practice air shows. Plan your visit today!
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If I recall there was no entrance fee to the museum so fewer visitors probably only hurts the gift shop bottom line.
 
Griz882

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GroundPounder said:
How long can the museum operate if the public can't get to it? Maybe I am in a coma somewhere and all of this absolute f'ing craziness is a byproduct of whatever knocked me out.

I guess someone in a position of authority can now say they did " something". Not anything that made sense, but at least we didn't not take action. Under this plan the guy would have access, but a tourist would not? How does that make sense?

Someone that we were hosting attacked us, and this is the best they could come up with...





Museum Status
(current as of 17 September 2021)
Important Visitor Information
Temporary Closure to Visitors- The museum will be closed to visitors from Tuesday, October 19th through Thursday, October 21st. We will reopen at 10:00 AM on Friday, October 22nd.
New Mask Guideline- Effective immediately as directed by the Department of Defense, all visitors must wear a mask while inside the museum regardless of vaccination status.
All ID requirements outlined below remain in effect.
The National Naval Aviation Museum is open Monday through Sunday from 10 a.m. – 4 p.m. to current Department of Defense (DoD) ID cardholders. Access to NAS Pensacola is limited to current Department of Defense (DoD) ID card holders (active duty service members, retirees, and their families) and Veterans who possess a Veterans Health Identification Card (VHIC) from the Department of Veterans Affairs that displays the Veteran’s eligibility status. DoD ID card holders can escort guests as part of the Trusted Traveler Program, but must remain with their guests at all times.
Unless sponsored through the Trusted Traveler program, no civilians will be granted access onto the base until further notice, and thus will not be able to access the National Naval Aviation Museum.
We have established a special visitor information line at 850-452-8450 for answers to your questions about visiting the museum and attending Blue Angels practice air shows. Plan your visit today!
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Not long. Most military museums that are trapped on base are falling well below their required visitor metrics. Some in the field think it is intentional as military museums are tremendously expensive. Every time there is an effort to push the costs down to the base commander they balk as a whole saying “No!” The idea of moving museums off post to what are called “hardened public sites” has been getting a lot of traction and pits the cost of building maintenance and utilities on the various societies and clubs that are there to support them. The museum at Pax River is a good example of this.
 
wink

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Never been there, but it looks like the USAF Museum at Wright Patt is within the gates. There are no restrictions to civilians there. So the nonsense at NASP does appear to be all about the shooting. Logic has left the building. It is so disappointing there isn't someone with the horsepower willing to point out the lunacy and order it changed. Not like it requires hours of staffing, briefs and meetings.
 
jmcquate

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The Air Force Museum is on USAF property, but outside the Wright Pat security perimeter. The Army and USMC are outside the Belvoir and Quantico security. The proposed Navy museum will be outside of the Navy Yard (still not a done deal by the way).
 
Flash

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Griz882 said:
Not long. Most military museums that are trapped on base are falling well below their required visitor metrics. Some in the field think it is intentional as military museums are tremendously expensive. Every time there is an effort to push the costs down to the base commander they balk as a whole saying “No!” The idea of moving museums off post to what are called “hardened public sites” has been getting a lot of traction and pits the cost of building maintenance and utilities on the various societies and clubs that are there to support them. The museum at Pax River is a good example of this.
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Most military museums were built well before 9/11 and bases became much harder to access, I still remember many bases being completely open before then. Many museums built since then have tried to take into account the newer restrictions, the new US Army museum is built on Ft Belvoir but has a direct entrance so that civilians can access it (still has a gate though for some controlled access).
 
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Flash said:
Most military museums were built well before 9/11 and bases became much harder to access, I still remember many bases being completely open before then. Many museums built since then have tried to take into account the newer restrictions, the new US Army museum is built on Ft Belvoir but has a direct entrance so that civilians can access it (still has a gate though for some controlled access).
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No base access required for Pax museum as it's outside of the fence.
 
ChuckMK23

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I understand that public access to the Naval Aviation Museum at NASP is still restricted as of June 2022 and the museum numbers are way way down - that is terrible.

Any news on when this will change?
 
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