Bonhomme Richard fire

[IKE]

i made this as a bored ET3 during the Shock and Awe phase of OIF. It's not PC, but f*** it.
RIP, Bonnie Dick.

 

[exNavyOffRec]

So probably about 5-10 years left in her, given how long the Tarawas and the LPHs lasted. That's a lot of work and money to repair a ship to reclaim maybe a third of its service life out of it. I'm not surprised to hear the Navy has made the official decision to scrap. I think we were all kind of expecting it and just waiting for the study to complete and the announcement made.

It's still amazing that this is happening... amazing is one word for it.

The time to get her back is probably a big reason, you could get a new ship out in that time, the USN will throw lots of money at a ship to get her working, look at the GW and her fire, while the fire damage wasn't as extensive the cost to repair was not cheap, the info passed from people we knew on her was that the shipyard was told "whatever it cost just get her fixed".

 

[hscs]

The time to get her back is probably a big reason, you could get a new ship out in that time, the USN will throw lots of money at a ship to get her working, look at the GW and her fire, while the fire damage wasn't as extensive the cost to repair was not cheap, the info passed from people we knew on her was that the shipyard was told "whatever it cost just get her fixed".

Apples and oranges. Fire damage was much less significant, nuclear powered vessel, and a rapidly closing date to shift home port to become the first CVN based overseas.

Another consideration - even with all the money and time in the world, the repairs would take away from other ship maintenance, causing delays on that maintenance.

 

[exNavyOffRec]

Apples and oranges. Fire damage was much less significant, nuclear powered vessel, and a rapidly closing date to shift home port to become the first CVN based overseas.

Another consideration - even with all the money and time in the world, the repairs would take away from other ship maintenance, causing delays on that maintenance.

It would take time and money away from other projects for sure.

The damage was less than the BHR, but the damage itself was quite significant to some very critical systems and with her going to be the first CVN overseas is why they said whatever money it takes they would spend.

 

[nittany03]

Wonder what the max chargeable offenses are and their max sentences. I’m mildly upset that I can’t argue for treason. Of course, this is assuming guilt.

I was bored so I took a quick scroll through the punitive articles and found a few gems:

• Article 108, Destruction of government property - DD, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and 10 years confinement.
• Article 114, Reckless endangerment - DD, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and 1 year confinement.
• Article 126, Aggravated arson - DD, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and 25 years confinement.

No idea if you could hang Article 110 on them for improperly hazarding the BHR, but that's "death or such punishment as a court-martial may direct." Over to the JAGs whether that article can even apply if you're not underway and on the watchbill.

 

[Flash]

I was bored so I took a quick scroll through the punitive articles and found a few gems:

• Article 108, Destruction of government property - DD, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and 10 years confinement.
• Article 114, Reckless endangerment - DD, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and 1 year confinement.
• Article 126, Aggravated arson - DD, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and 25 years confinement.

No idea if you could hang Article 110 on them for improperly hazarding the BHR, but that's "death or such punishment as a court-martial may direct." Over to the JAGs whether that article can even apply if you're not underway and on the watchbill.

I would hope that some counts of attempted murder/manslaughter/assault could be thrown in the mix as well since it endangered the crew and firefighters and injured a few.

If it was a lone sailor that committed arson that would be two ships and hundreds of millions of $ lost because of two morons in 8 years.

 

[MGoBrew11]

I was bored so I took a quick scroll through the punitive articles and found a few gems:

• Article 108, Destruction of government property - DD, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and 10 years confinement.
• Article 114, Reckless endangerment - DD, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and 1 year confinement.
• Article 126, Aggravated arson - DD, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and 25 years confinement.

No idea if you could hang Article 110 on them for improperly hazarding the BHR, but that's "death or such punishment as a court-martial may direct." Over to the JAGs whether that article can even apply if you're not underway and on the watchbill.

One would think reckless endangerment x (# of souls onboard that day + # of souls had to fight the fire) = # of reckless endangerment charges. Got to be more than 1 year available there.

 

[Swanee]

two ships

Wait- what did I miss? There was another ship that lost in this incident?

 

[Flash]

Wait- what did I miss? There was another ship that lost in this incident?

A shipyard worker set fire to the USS Miami in 2012 because he wanted to get out of work, they decommissioned her as a result.

 

[nittany03]

I would hope that some counts of attempted murder/manslaughter/assault could be thrown in the mix as well since it endangered the crew and firefighters and injured a few.

If it was a lone sailor that committed arson that would be two ships and hundreds of millions of $ lost because of two morons in 8 years.

I looked at that as I was skimming, but the way Article 80 was written, I thought it could require the Government to prove that you consciously intended to commit the crime. Like, say I point a gun at your head, pull the trigger, it squibs, and you tackle me. That'd be attempted murder, probably with assault as a lesser included offense, because I consciously intended to shoot you in the face.

With arson, though, can you prove the suspect intended to kill the entire duty section and everyone living aboard ship? Or did they just chuck a lighter into a triwall full of crap in lower V because they were a bored malcontent, wanted to stir up shit, and didn't think it'd burn the whole damn ship up? Also, the difference between arson and aggravated arson is that the latter is burning a building or structure when it has people in it to be endangered.

 

[Swanee]

A shipyard worker set fire to the USS Miami in 2012 because he wanted to get out of work, they decommissioned her as a result.

I knew about that one. I just didn't read your post all the way through. Probably because it wasn't written in crayon.

 

[Spekkio]

For reference: Casey Fury was indicted on two counts of arson (he attempted to light the ship on fire a second time, which is when he was caught). He plead guilty and received 17 years in prison and $400M in restitution that he'll never actually pay a dime of.

 

[Griz882]

For reference: Casey Fury was indicted on two counts of arson (he attempted to light the ship on fire a second time, which is when he was caught). He plead guilty and received 17 years in prison and $400M in restitution that he'll never actually pay a dime of.

IDK...the average prisoner earns 92 cents an hour....deduct some cash for cigarettes and butt lube and he might pay off about .002%.

 

[IKE]

IDK...the average prisoner earns 92 cents an hour....deduct some cash for cigarettes and butt lube and he might pay off about .002%.

 

[Jim123]

The timetable is official now, inactivation in April.

Bonhomme Richardâs dismantling to begin in April

The first two littoral combat ships will also be moved into a reserve status this year, according to a fleet message.

www.navytimes.com

Rebuilding and repairing the 22-year-old ship would have cost up to $3.2 billion and taken five to seven years, Rear Adm. Eric Ver Hage, commander of the Navy Regional Maintenance Center, told reporters in November

lol more like $10b and 10+ years... even then her crew would still be discovering cut corners until the last day of deployment.