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BigRed389

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You can't have your cake and eat it too.

If you want to have Japanese quality of work, our shipyard workers must be indentured servants working under the close supervision of foremen who expect perfection and can impose severe personal cost if that standard isn't met... because the white hats will get fired with a quickness if that standard isn't met.
Yeah no. It’s not a binary thing where the only way to have high quality in manufacturing is to treat your employees like indentured servants, and the only alternative is to accept shitty products.

Quite frankly, having seen some of the consequences of shoddy work, I’m perfectly fine with the part about imposing severe personal costs or firings. God forbid we have personal accountability and responsibility in this country.

It does mean investing in the national industrial workforce (and actual $, not just empty platitudes) to actually incentivize them to be high quality workers.
 

Spekkio

He bowls overhand.
Yeah no. It’s not a binary thing where the only way to have high quality in manufacturing is to treat your employees like indentured servants, and the only alternative is to accept shitty products.

Quite frankly, having seen some of the consequences of shoddy work, I’m perfectly fine with the part about imposing severe personal costs or firings. God forbid we have personal accountability and responsibility in this country.

It does mean investing in the national industrial workforce (and actual $, not just empty platitudes) to actually incentivize them to be high quality workers.
My point is that if your measure of effectiveness is Japanese quality of craftsmanship, then your measure of performance is a hereditary class system with abusive work conditions and low wages.

Americans will never get to this because our core cultural values reject these things.
 

Griz882

Frightening children with the Griz-O-Copter!
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That's all speculation.

And still doesn't address the fact that upward career progression in your 30s-50s is exponentially better for college graduates.
Everything is speculation until it strikes. Equally, facts change, and I fear the facts are going to change for those with a non-STEM college degree. In just a few short years programs like Turbo Tax and HR Block have decimated the front line tax accountant field. Don’t get me wrong, I’m an historian, number two or three on the “endangered” list, but I’ve already seen the changes outside AI. The web allows me to conduct basic research from sources around the globe and my colleagues are having to write AI limits for papers in their class syllabus. Most mid-grade sit-down jobs that shift a regulatory piece of information from one spreadsheet to another will be gone within my lifetime. The impact on corporations will be even greater. I don’t mean to moly tomorrow, or two or three years, but in under twenty years the global work force will be dramatically different - and a Bachelor’s of Arts won’t count for much unless you want to teach.
 

Griz882

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That’s quite a leap. Care to elaborate on how you got there?
Sure…according to the BLS most people with a B.A. are currently working in business end retail, advertising and marketing, sales, business support, banking, and entertainment/leisure. AI is set to sweep away most of these sectors. Businesses will no longer need 50 people to enter, sort, and file “TSP Reports” (a pun, look it up), they will simply need a small technical team to manage the AI reports. AI is already having an impact on marketing and advertising, and business sales are changing in the same way (Amazon is now the fastest growing B to B in the US and is advertising the joy of not needing sales people). Programs like Betterment and Robinhood are gradually displacing in-person financial advisors and I can’t even remember the last time I went into a brick-and-mortar bank. AI mini-movies are now ruling TikTok (and yes they are bad) and that is clearly a canary in the coal mine for the entertainment industry. All of this means that the relatively recent drive to use a BA as the path to your first office job is going to get much narrower. As Forbes predicts, so e 90 million plus jobs will be eliminated by AI and about half of those will be in typical cubical type jobs.

Again, I’m not saying a degree is useless. I am saying that the big push of the last 25 years of higher education as a jobs program (especially with softer arts degrees) is slowly coming to an end. Soon enough people will get a BA to “round out their education” but it won’t be a guaranteed pathway to a cubical. Primary and secondary education, on the other hand, will probably remain a human endeavor.
 

sevenhelmet

Quaint ideas from yesteryear
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Sure…according to the BLS most people with a B.A. are currently working in business end retail, advertising and marketing, sales, business support, banking, and entertainment/leisure. AI is set to sweep away most of these sectors. Businesses will no longer need 50 people to enter, sort, and file “TSP Reports” (a pun, look it up), they will simply need a small technical team to manage the AI reports. AI is already having an impact on marketing and advertising, and business sales are changing in the same way (Amazon is now the fastest growing B to B in the US and is advertising the joy of not needing sales people). Programs like Betterment and Robinhood are gradually displacing in-person financial advisors and I can’t even remember the last time I went into a brick-and-mortar bank. AI mini-movies are now ruling TikTok (and yes they are bad) and that is clearly a canary in the coal mine for the entertainment industry. All of this means that the relatively recent drive to use a BA as the path to your first office job is going to get much narrower. As Forbes predicts, so e 90 million plus jobs will be eliminated by AI and about half of those will be in typical cubical type jobs.

Again, I’m not saying a degree is useless. I am saying that the big push of the last 25 years of higher education as a jobs program (especially with softer arts degrees) is slowly coming to an end. Soon enough people will get a BA to “round out their education” but it won’t be a guaranteed pathway to a cubical. Primary and secondary education, on the other hand, will probably remain a human endeavor.

I see most degrees as table stakes in the job-hunting game. While you make some valid points, it’s also reasonable to assume the job market will reshape itself, just as it has for every major technological advancement in history.
 
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