USN ASW Nerds Rejoice!

[ChuckMK23]

What‘s a boomer TP?

“When I was your age, I bought my first house for $25,000, and I paid it off in 10 years. You just have to work hard and save your money.”

 

[BigRed389]

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

If you want to have Japanese quality of work, our shipyard workers must be indentured servants working under the close supervision of foremen who expect perfection and can impose severe personal cost if that standard isn't met... because the white hats will get fired with a quickness if that standard isn't met.

Yeah no. It’s not a binary thing where the only way to have high quality in manufacturing is to treat your employees like indentured servants, and the only alternative is to accept shitty products.

Quite frankly, having seen some of the consequences of shoddy work, I’m perfectly fine with the part about imposing severe personal costs or firings. God forbid we have personal accountability and responsibility in this country.

It does mean investing in the national industrial workforce (and actual $, not just empty platitudes) to actually incentivize them to be high quality workers.

 

[Spekkio]

Yeah no. It’s not a binary thing where the only way to have high quality in manufacturing is to treat your employees like indentured servants, and the only alternative is to accept shitty products.

Quite frankly, having seen some of the consequences of shoddy work, I’m perfectly fine with the part about imposing severe personal costs or firings. God forbid we have personal accountability and responsibility in this country.

It does mean investing in the national industrial workforce (and actual $, not just empty platitudes) to actually incentivize them to be high quality workers.

My point is that if your measure of effectiveness is Japanese quality of craftsmanship, then your measure of performance is a hereditary class system with abusive work conditions and low wages.

Americans will never get to this because our core cultural values reject these things.