Rhodri Vista
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OK Thank you for your advice!
Also will this be its own section? Like the math is 30 questions in 25 min?
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ASTB-E/APEX 4 Experience -DEC 2013
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OK Thank you for your advice!
Also will this be its own section? Like the math is 30 questions in 25 min?
Notorious Nate
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The OAR portion and the Flight Aptitude portion are taken on different computers. Each part of the Flight Aptitude portion is a different section.
navy2014
Member
The math is no longer 30 questions in 25 minutes. All the OAR sections are different, I think, from how I read they would be on the ASTB (compared to the ASTB-E). You now have 40 minutes for math, and no set number of questions. The questions get harder if you get them right, and you go until the computer has figured out how good you are at math. It's not a time crunch anymore, and you can't go back once you've picked an answer. I threw away some questions, thinking I had to finish each in 50 seconds or fall behind, that I probably could have gotten. So be careful.
Reading had enough questions to fill almost all of the time for me, but I did well on that section, I assume, so they got really hard and took a long time to concentrate on. They also became all about military stuff, so I got distracted by all the acronyms and foreign concepts.
Mechanics wasn't a ton of questions.
navy2014
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I took all of mine on the same computer, for what it's worth.
Carlin Rabie
Member
first time posting. but I've been learning on this site for a few months now.
Just took the test today, got 56,7,8,7.
I'm kinda pleased since I graduated college 3 years ago and have not touched a math or reading test in even longer.
Also I have no experience with flying or mechanical/engineering. So everything I know is from the old study guides I found on this site.
I was leaning toward taking it again but my recruiter said that it's not a bad score and I should go ahead with the application.
Anyways, my thoughts. The original post was spot on.
For me the math was way more difficult than any of the study guides.
Within the 40 minutes (I believe) I did not finish more than 15 quetions. And that is a high estimate, likely closer to 12
I would recommend studying more advanced polynomials (factoring and equations) along with the things mentioned in the original post especially fractional exponents. Also the percentage questions are lengthy. Find the missing score of a test which is worth 20% of the final grade if the final grade is 80% blah de blah. Maybe just one of my weak points, but I struggled with it for a long time.
Another thing I noticed was the first section of the performance based measures (the map and building with parking lots) has a practice section you can do over and over again.
I practiced it multiple times until I was extremely comfortable and then breezed through the section.
I'm having trouble recalling stuff off the top of my head, but if anyone has any questions it's still pretty fresh and I may be able to help.
Just took the test today, got 56,7,8,7.
I'm kinda pleased since I graduated college 3 years ago and have not touched a math or reading test in even longer.
Also I have no experience with flying or mechanical/engineering. So everything I know is from the old study guides I found on this site.
I was leaning toward taking it again but my recruiter said that it's not a bad score and I should go ahead with the application.
Anyways, my thoughts. The original post was spot on.
For me the math was way more difficult than any of the study guides.
Within the 40 minutes (I believe) I did not finish more than 15 quetions. And that is a high estimate, likely closer to 12
I would recommend studying more advanced polynomials (factoring and equations) along with the things mentioned in the original post especially fractional exponents. Also the percentage questions are lengthy. Find the missing score of a test which is worth 20% of the final grade if the final grade is 80% blah de blah. Maybe just one of my weak points, but I struggled with it for a long time.
Another thing I noticed was the first section of the performance based measures (the map and building with parking lots) has a practice section you can do over and over again.
I practiced it multiple times until I was extremely comfortable and then breezed through the section.
I'm having trouble recalling stuff off the top of my head, but if anyone has any questions it's still pretty fresh and I may be able to help.
Just re-took the test and scored a 52 5/5/6. I scored a 46 4/4/4 on the old version. Regardless, my experience with the APEX is below.
Math
There was a mixed bag of questions. No log or no matrices for me. The test is adaptive and I most likely didn't answer enough hard questions correctly in a row to be presented with those types of questions. Some standard alegebra and basic questions you may expect.
Some things that threw me:
I had about three problems that were literal equations. For example:
Solve Q = (c + d)/2 for d
Solve Q = 3a + 5ac for a
Solve A = ( 1/2 )ah – ( 1/2 )bh for h
There was also a literal equation that was raised to a negative exponent that threw me.
There was also a question on a definition.
They provided you with a list of general math equations, Area for a triangle, etc. so dont get bogged down with trying to memorize like I did.
Reading
Most of mine were very long paragraph's, pretty tough. I found it hard to study for these besides just doing different comprehension problems.
Mechanical
Fairly Straight forward. Know your levers and pulleys. I had four electrical questions two of which were definitions. No kinetic or potential energy, no inelastic or elastic collisions.
Two questions were pretty much the same asking if a bullet fired from a gun horizontally and a bullet dropped from the same height, which on will hit the ground first.
Aviation and Nautical
As advertised. Mostly random aviation questions.
The rest of the test is the same as everyone else posted.
Math
There was a mixed bag of questions. No log or no matrices for me. The test is adaptive and I most likely didn't answer enough hard questions correctly in a row to be presented with those types of questions. Some standard alegebra and basic questions you may expect.
Some things that threw me:
I had about three problems that were literal equations. For example:
Solve Q = (c + d)/2 for d
Solve Q = 3a + 5ac for a
Solve A = ( 1/2 )ah – ( 1/2 )bh for h
There was also a literal equation that was raised to a negative exponent that threw me.
There was also a question on a definition.
They provided you with a list of general math equations, Area for a triangle, etc. so dont get bogged down with trying to memorize like I did.
Reading
Most of mine were very long paragraph's, pretty tough. I found it hard to study for these besides just doing different comprehension problems.
Mechanical
Fairly Straight forward. Know your levers and pulleys. I had four electrical questions two of which were definitions. No kinetic or potential energy, no inelastic or elastic collisions.
Two questions were pretty much the same asking if a bullet fired from a gun horizontally and a bullet dropped from the same height, which on will hit the ground first.
Aviation and Nautical
As advertised. Mostly random aviation questions.
The rest of the test is the same as everyone else posted.
Thanks for posting that gouge. If you don't mind, can you also make a post comparing the old and new tests? Thanks
Notorious Nate
Well-Known Member
I don't know. It may just be that there's a sharp bunch here on Airwarriors. A buddy of mine that just got winged is on temporary duty as a recruiter and said a lot of people are really struggling with it.
exNavyOffRec
Well-Known Member
one person's definition of struggling might be different than anothers.
montauknightsky
Member
Thank you all for your guidance! I am taking the test in 4 days and I'm nervous as hell! I need good scores to offset my low GPA (2.95).
This being said, ANY AND ALL EXTRA HELP REGARDING THE MATH PORTION IS GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!!
This being said, ANY AND ALL EXTRA HELP REGARDING THE MATH PORTION IS GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!!
I agree the people on Airwarriors are a sharp and helpful bunch! They must have been dedicated enough (and had the aptitude and initiative) to have found this website.
Maybe Airwarriors helped its users improve their scores. I was also thinking that people who scored better were more likely to post their scores.
Like NavyOffRec noted, it would help if you could elaborate on what "struggling" means.
Notorious Nate
Well-Known Member
Direct quote from my buddy:
exNavyOffRec
Well-Known Member
Is he on OHARP? I have seen SNA and SNFO's sent to an NRD in between OCS/API but not after they were winged
Notorious Nate
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I'm not sure what that designation stands for. He's a Marine that just got selected for Harriers.