Software interface in 1980? Did they shuffle the punchcards or something?
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Software interface in 1980? Did they shuffle the punchcards or something?
Considering the horror stories I heard about keeping Navy Tomcats in working order, I cannot imagine they're having fun keeping these things going. Seems to be more of a PR/middle finger to the USA thing than anything at this point.
Wouldn't it be in the best interest of Russia and China not to manufacture parts for them since then they would might buy more planes from them (notice to other fighter jet in the background during the segment? And why would they be so keen on getting parts from retired US F-14's if they already had a steady supply?
Don't underestimate Iranian ingenuity or resourcefulness, they may not be a world power but they have kept a good chunk of the Air Force we sold them still flying 30 years after we cut them off. And don't underestimate the utility of a hangar queen either, I saw only two Tomcats flying in that whole video. Two out of 79. That's a lot of parts.
Clux4
Banned
But how many of them crashed in the desert?
Less than 77.
Im not advocating one scenario over another. I'm simply saying it wouldnt be surprising to me at all.
I remember when the last of the 'cats was retired the Navy taking some non standard actions to keep the F-14s from being touched because of the concern that parts would fall into the hands of the Iranians. And thats been a concern for a while. It's also my understanding they were getting parts made in America for sometime when the Tomcats were still an active part of our fleet.
And as far as buying new planes from Russia, I see your point, but how often have you gone to Autozone needing a new distributer and agree instead to buy a new car? In the future China, Russia, or domestic will likely be the flavor of Iranian air power, but for now I wouldn't be surprised, in fact I would almost expect parts to be coming from a variety of sources to include US, Russia and China.
I remember when the last of the 'cats was retired the Navy taking some non standard actions to keep the F-14s from being touched because of the concern that parts would fall into the hands of the Iranians. And thats been a concern for a while. It's also my understanding they were getting parts made in America for sometime when the Tomcats were still an active part of our fleet.
And as far as buying new planes from Russia, I see your point, but how often have you gone to Autozone needing a new distributer and agree instead to buy a new car? In the future China, Russia, or domestic will likely be the flavor of Iranian air power, but for now I wouldn't be surprised, in fact I would almost expect parts to be coming from a variety of sources to include US, Russia and China.
It's not a MiG-21......close, a very...very close brother, but no cigar......and it ain't older.
You are trying to fit an unfounded assumption into a blank spot without anything, at all, to back it up. Drawing conclusions like that can get you in trouble sooner or later, maybe not on the internets the wold is not a 'Jump to Conclusions mat'.
People may want to paint the Russians and Chinese as being in the Iranian corner but in fact it is a lot more complicated than that. They see a benefit to dealing with Iran on some things but draw do draw the line at others. There would be little to no benefit for either country, especially money-wise (and that is often the bottom line), to making parts for an old and small fleet of fighter jets that weren't even built by them. The only country that would really benefit by going to such lengths to manufacture/refurbish old parts would be Iran. One thing that might be supplied by other countries could be flight instruments or other parts not unique to the Tomcat. Maybe they have anHSI from France, an altimeter from China, etc. But unique parts to the Tomcat? A bridge too far I think. Another thing, just because there were two of them flying doesn't mean they work all that well. They may look pretty but will they deliver when necessary?
ryan1234
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Word on the street was that those particular F-7Ms came from the early to mid 80s period with considerable British (MES) avionics influence and design.
You can thank some Chinese firms for this. There were reports about 3 years ago (looking for them now) that parts for the F-14 were being reversed engineered in China with the intention being to ship to Iran. This even included what they needed to maintain and field their AIM-54 inventory.
Why wouldn't the Chinese simply take the opportunity to sell them J-10s or J-11s?
Tell ya what, I'd be a lot more respectful of an IrIAF that had Flankers and PL-12s. An occasional flyby of a pair of Tomgrapes isn't really all that impressive.
They might be able to make some fly and look pretty, but to make the avionics and weapons work, AND proficiently execute valid tactics with those avionics and weapons, is a completely different story.
Tell ya what, I'd be a lot more respectful of an IrIAF that had Flankers and PL-12s. An occasional flyby of a pair of Tomgrapes isn't really all that impressive.
They might be able to make some fly and look pretty, but to make the avionics and weapons work, AND proficiently execute valid tactics with those avionics and weapons, is a completely different story.