OK here is my dilema: I am 32 years old with a 3.3 GPA in Aerospace Engineering and a minor in Mathematics from ERAU. I took the ASVAB scored a 99 and just now took the ASTB and scored a 68 with all 9's across the board. My recruiter is not the least bit interested in helping and is only telling me that Intel and Crypto are open due to my age, however since my parents are not naturalized citizens (they are from Holland and lived at the same adress for 22 years) I will not qualify for my security clearance. So in essence my recruiter tells me the Navy just really doesn't want me, end of story have a nice day. Now I am not about to take this laying down and am going to fight to get what I want which is to become a Naval Officer. I would appreciate any insight or help from anyone on what I can do, who could I contact to see if I could get an age waiver or something. I realize they are strict and I understand there needs to be rules and guidelines but I just can't give up my dream of serving my country. God bless and good luck to all.
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Am I truly SOL??
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I would check out either Supply Corp. or AMDO (Aviation Maintenance Duty Officer) I think those fields have the highest age limits, and security clearence is not as strict. I don't know what you are interested in, but if that sounds like something you would want to do I think you could make it. PM me and maybe I can answer in more detail what it is you should try to do. Good Luck.
Most recruiters are idiots.. they sell their soul to the devil to get people to enlist. Your recruiter doesnt want to do his job.. which you will find a lot in the Navy. YOu can get a clearnace.. and since your parents are from a european country and not like from Iraq, Russia, Iran, etc. (you could forget getting a decent clearance.) I dont think you will have a problem. If you were born in holland.. then you are not a american citizen.. unless you have papers which you cna qualify. You can try for another designator or even try the Army and Air force. Army are taking anyone and are really hurting for pilots. (helicopter - warrent officers) but and the air force is too. Air force are only take technical degree officers like medical, lawyers, engineers, and if you are aerospace eng. you will probably get in... though they are backlogged since ROTC goes to their OTS- takes up all the slots.
AFROTC does not go to OTS. ROTC has been filling a huge number of officer slots for the AF, so OTS has cut back a lot. AF likes to use OTS as a bridge to fill any gaps left over from the Academy and ROTC, and all that the AF really needs these days are technical degrees. There are two boards a year accepting non-tech degrees and those guys aren't getting early class dates.
The AF has more than enough junior pilots right now, but they'll always take more. They're having trouble with retainability, not finding new guys. Doesn't sound like you're looking to fly anyway. You could check about some engineering stuff in the AF if that's what you're looking for and the Navy OSO is giving you a hard time. If you really want to just go Navy, I would highly recommend you find another recruiter. My recruiter kicks ass, your's sounds like a retard.
The AF has more than enough junior pilots right now, but they'll always take more. They're having trouble with retainability, not finding new guys. Doesn't sound like you're looking to fly anyway. You could check about some engineering stuff in the AF if that's what you're looking for and the Navy OSO is giving you a hard time. If you really want to just go Navy, I would highly recommend you find another recruiter. My recruiter kicks ass, your's sounds like a retard.
bisouss: Thanks for the insight, and I think you are right about the recruiter, he is a LTCMDR and I don't think he wants to rock the boat, besides when I went to go see him he assigned me to a new recruiter whose first day on the job was when I was there, I practically had to help him get me the right forms for the physical etc. really gave me that warm fuzzy feeling inside when you know things go from bad to worse 
I really do appreciate all you guys/gals feedback and support! I am not sure on how to go about getting a new recruiter, from the appearance of it, this guys runs the place...anyone here knows of a good recruiter in San Diego? could a recruiter from lets say LA help me? I have read on here that there are divisions that they work on but I am not sure on how exactly that works?
spsiratt: Thanks for the AF insight! I spent 6 years in the Civil Air Patrol so I am not a stranger to the AF, don't get me wrong I would LOVE to fly but I think I need to be realistic and know that not even the AF is looking for a 32 year old ;-) I see that you are prior Intel AF, could you tell me, how is that field? same as the Navy?
I really do appreciate all you guys/gals feedback and support! I am not sure on how to go about getting a new recruiter, from the appearance of it, this guys runs the place...anyone here knows of a good recruiter in San Diego? could a recruiter from lets say LA help me? I have read on here that there are divisions that they work on but I am not sure on how exactly that works?spsiratt: Thanks for the AF insight! I spent 6 years in the Civil Air Patrol so I am not a stranger to the AF, don't get me wrong I would LOVE to fly but I think I need to be realistic and know that not even the AF is looking for a 32 year old ;-) I see that you are prior Intel AF, could you tell me, how is that field? same as the Navy?
I'm not sure if the telephone number below will just route you to a local office or if it will go to Millington. If it is Millington, then this is the main recruiting command. They may be able to give you another recruiting contact (explain you have some concerns with your current contact - and that you are interested in officer programs).
US Navy Recruiting Command
5722 Integrity Dr., Bldg. 784
Millington, TN 38054
Tel.: 1-800-USA-NAVY
Also, if you are interested in Intel/Crypto, the security clearance you will need is a Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information (TS/SCI). Be specific when asking about the requirements for this clearance. (you could ask your current recruiter to show you the written instruction that has the requirements for the TS/SCI clearance) - (basically put up or shut up and push my package through...)
I was asked a series of questions as a "pre-qualifier" questionnaire (I'm an enlisted Intel Specialist). I remember some questions about relatives from certain countries...Holland wasn't one of them. You will need to be a U.S. citizen.
That's all I can think of right now... As some have said, some recruiters are slime, others are OK. If the one you have isn't working for you, then find another.
US Navy Recruiting Command
5722 Integrity Dr., Bldg. 784
Millington, TN 38054
Tel.: 1-800-USA-NAVY
Also, if you are interested in Intel/Crypto, the security clearance you will need is a Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information (TS/SCI). Be specific when asking about the requirements for this clearance. (you could ask your current recruiter to show you the written instruction that has the requirements for the TS/SCI clearance) - (basically put up or shut up and push my package through...)
I was asked a series of questions as a "pre-qualifier" questionnaire (I'm an enlisted Intel Specialist). I remember some questions about relatives from certain countries...Holland wasn't one of them. You will need to be a U.S. citizen.
That's all I can think of right now... As some have said, some recruiters are slime, others are OK. If the one you have isn't working for you, then find another.
I had a brand new recruiter. SHe jacked ll my stuff up.... go to another recruiting station of you can. You will have to do everything yourself with the new one... make sure everything is correct and call everyday annoying them unitl they do it. Call milington.. is a good idea.. putting a bug in their head that they have a bad recruitment station.. might give a little fire under their a&&s.
It looks like bisouss is currently enlisted. You will find the enlisted recruiters are a different breed from officer recruiters. Frankly, their job is harder and they are under more pressure than OPO recruiters. That isn't to say that there are not OPO recruiters that are jerks or simply not good at what they do. It is my experience after yeras in the business that the vast majority of OPO recruiters are sincere and honest, if not brutally so some times. As I am not a "production recruiter" and am not evaluated on how many people sign a contract you can be sure of my perspective. First, no age waiver for 04hopeful, sorry. CEC might be best bet. The Seabees are a great community. They fight with an M-16 in one hand and a transit in the other. Supply or AMDO maybe, but a real tough sell. Comments here re. clearances sounds accurate to me. Millington will not help you with your real problem. If you are still peeved about how your recruiter delt with you you can lodge a complaint, but that is it. I have said it a million times on this site. Apply early! Don't wait. Like it or not there are a hundred guys in line behind every one of you. You might be convinced the navy is missing out on not taking you, but it just isn't that likely, from the navy's point of view. I have seen dozens of first class candidates over the years I would have loved to put in the navy that were too old. Almost every one of them had simply waited too long. No other excuse. They could have done ROTC, BDCP, NUPOC, or simply applied for OCS three years sooner. But they didn't. Don't know 04hopeful's situation. Sorry it is looking dim. But for the rest of you, get those apps in!
TS/SCI - Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information. You will definitely need a TS/SCI clearance for Intel in any branch. Your parents being Dutch shouldn't be a huge problem, just gives DSS a little more to investigate. I know this is true because my housemate when I was stationed in England had a French father and Uraguan mother. He had a clearance and we worked and flew together.
I can't really say for Navy Intel because I have no experience there, but AF Intel is pretty cool. Lots of good stuff and can be a lot of fun. If you go to an airborne unit, you could possibly fly as a crewmember. I'm afraid pilot or nav or ABM are pretty much out for you, but there really isn't an age limit on intel officers flying in some units as you don't really have a rated position on the aircraft, just observation.
I can't really say for Navy Intel because I have no experience there, but AF Intel is pretty cool. Lots of good stuff and can be a lot of fun. If you go to an airborne unit, you could possibly fly as a crewmember. I'm afraid pilot or nav or ABM are pretty much out for you, but there really isn't an age limit on intel officers flying in some units as you don't really have a rated position on the aircraft, just observation.
spsiratt,
I am a little confused. You stated that the Air Force is hurting for tech. degree personnel. Are these people trying to go air or ground?
I talked to a AF recruiter and he stated that one should not even try to apply for air unless you have a commercial licence and 1000 hr of flight time. Did I misunderstand what you were saying?
I am a little confused. You stated that the Air Force is hurting for tech. degree personnel. Are these people trying to go air or ground?
I talked to a AF recruiter and he stated that one should not even try to apply for air unless you have a commercial licence and 1000 hr of flight time. Did I misunderstand what you were saying?
Wink: thank you for the input! I realize what you are saying "apply early" beleive me its something that I think about every moment I am awake, but I can't go back and change it just try to make the best of difficult situation hence I really appreciate everyone's input, good or bad. I did want to ask you though, you mentioned supply and AMDO as a possibility for me? My recruiter said that they were off limits because of age, do you have any information he may not have that I could pass along to him?
spsiratt: I will definitely look at the AF as well if the Navy just isn't going to work out. I appreciate your insight and would appreciate it I could PM with questions/
spsiratt: I will definitely look at the AF as well if the Navy just isn't going to work out. I appreciate your insight and would appreciate it I could PM with questions/
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