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All things MV-22 Osprey
- Thread starter Dave Shutter
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it hasn't been grounded for some time. . .just being flown @ Pax though I think. I read they are hoping to have the training squadron begin to fly it in November 2003. Not too far away!
Last week's MC Times also had a blurb about filling the Osprey enlisted MOSs from CH46 guys. In the process of standing up the squadron; so soon 1-1.5 yrs we should have an FRS fully functional. Don't hold your breath.
While you certainly can't get it in and out of LZs like you can a 46, it seems to me with ops like Endur Freedom we need the extra reach and payload of the Osprey. We really need to stop flying 46s.
Last week's MC Times also had a blurb about filling the Osprey enlisted MOSs from CH46 guys. In the process of standing up the squadron; so soon 1-1.5 yrs we should have an FRS fully functional. Don't hold your breath.
While you certainly can't get it in and out of LZs like you can a 46, it seems to me with ops like Endur Freedom we need the extra reach and payload of the Osprey. We really need to stop flying 46s.
I've been talking to contractors working for the mv-22 rag out here in NEw River, and they sound like they are actually going to be getting busier sometime soon. There are a couple of ospreys in the hanger with our 53's, so I actually got a chance to get a close look at them. All I can say is that they look pretty cool.
When I left Whiting they were actually in the process of re-writing the training syllabus for the osprey, so I'm not too sure what the final pipeline will be like. Phrogdriver might have more info on that.
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Marine Helo Pilot
When I left Whiting they were actually in the process of re-writing the training syllabus for the osprey, so I'm not too sure what the final pipeline will be like. Phrogdriver might have more info on that.
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Marine Helo Pilot
Don't have much time, so I'll keep this one brief.
They did just have a new board for selecting would-be V-22 pilots. They even offered it up to F/W guys, including letting them keep their F/W bonus. I don't think it was as well received in terms of applcations received as the last V-22 board. A lot of pilots saw the last bunch get jerked around for 2 years and didn't want the same thing to happen to them. Plus, there's a lot of skepticism about the aircraft itself.
As far as how the program is progressing, look in the MC Times, or throw chicken bones on the ground, or get some tea leaves... Your guess is as good as mine. I just think it's odd that the Osprey has been in development for 20 years to get to the form is was in...but now in one year they've made 300-some improvements, and now the thing works like a champ.
If they've solved the problems this time, I'd love to fly it. Among other things, there were concerns about its ability to hover at high altitudes. I also worry about its ability to handle brown-out, as it reputedly has huge rotorwash. It can't do a main-mount landing on a mountain like a -46 can, either. So , as much as people say it would have helped in Afghanistan, it wouldn't have been a cure-all as some suggest.
The range and speed is awesome, but what can escort it now? A jet is not a good helo escort, but the AH/UHs can't keep up. So it goes it by itself...wait, we haven't put a gun on it yet. We don't try to go into hot LZs like 'Nam anymore, but if we have to, or it happens by mistake, a weapon better than a Baretta out the window would be great.
Ideally, we could get the 22 AND another helo. Normal helo for most missions, and a V-22 for special long-range stuff. That's kind of what the USAF will do. It will still have PaveHawks and MH-53Js for most stuff, but use their CV-22 for long-range inserts. Unfortunately, Michael Jackson will be President before the Marine Corps could ever afford to do that.
Phrogs phorever
They did just have a new board for selecting would-be V-22 pilots. They even offered it up to F/W guys, including letting them keep their F/W bonus. I don't think it was as well received in terms of applcations received as the last V-22 board. A lot of pilots saw the last bunch get jerked around for 2 years and didn't want the same thing to happen to them. Plus, there's a lot of skepticism about the aircraft itself.
As far as how the program is progressing, look in the MC Times, or throw chicken bones on the ground, or get some tea leaves... Your guess is as good as mine. I just think it's odd that the Osprey has been in development for 20 years to get to the form is was in...but now in one year they've made 300-some improvements, and now the thing works like a champ.
If they've solved the problems this time, I'd love to fly it. Among other things, there were concerns about its ability to hover at high altitudes. I also worry about its ability to handle brown-out, as it reputedly has huge rotorwash. It can't do a main-mount landing on a mountain like a -46 can, either. So , as much as people say it would have helped in Afghanistan, it wouldn't have been a cure-all as some suggest.
The range and speed is awesome, but what can escort it now? A jet is not a good helo escort, but the AH/UHs can't keep up. So it goes it by itself...wait, we haven't put a gun on it yet. We don't try to go into hot LZs like 'Nam anymore, but if we have to, or it happens by mistake, a weapon better than a Baretta out the window would be great.
Ideally, we could get the 22 AND another helo. Normal helo for most missions, and a V-22 for special long-range stuff. That's kind of what the USAF will do. It will still have PaveHawks and MH-53Js for most stuff, but use their CV-22 for long-range inserts. Unfortunately, Michael Jackson will be President before the Marine Corps could ever afford to do that.
Phrogs phorever
Couple of thoughts. . . (seeking info, cause I really don't know)
Is a fixed-wing escort really that big of a deal of something like the Osprey traveling at 300 KIAS (or whatever it is?)
I just mention the AFGHAN thing because I thought when we went "in country" at first we HAD to have refueling capability. .so we really relied on CH53s 'cause we had to. . That general (in charge of the two MEUs) made it sound like the Osprey would have made life a lot easier. .Didn't know it had problems at altitude. I guess that's his job though (shed light on -22 project)--he was making sense at the time.
--josh
Is a fixed-wing escort really that big of a deal of something like the Osprey traveling at 300 KIAS (or whatever it is?)
I just mention the AFGHAN thing because I thought when we went "in country" at first we HAD to have refueling capability. .so we really relied on CH53s 'cause we had to. . That general (in charge of the two MEUs) made it sound like the Osprey would have made life a lot easier. .Didn't know it had problems at altitude. I guess that's his job though (shed light on -22 project)--he was making sense at the time.
--josh
I have seen one fly into Waco when I was working at the FBO. It was shooting the ILS and when it hit the threashold, it started to drop it's pylons forward and accelerate. This thing had it's rotor tips about ten feet off the deck! It had to have been doing at least 200 knts when it crossed the end of the runway then it pitched up about twenty degrees and banked over about forty-five to the right and departed the traffic pattern. Man it was cool!!! What a machine. Everyone that saw that just stood there with thier mouths open.
splendid_splinter
HMLA flyer
mountain.. hey, maybe sometimes you could just read some posts without having to make a comment at every opportunity.. and, if you can put afghan in all caps.. maybe you could give a higher ranking individual at least one cap.
you're tryin for the airwarrior springbutt award aren't you?
you're tryin for the airwarrior springbutt award aren't you?
Wow, splendid, that was a pretty snazzy comeback. What's it to you how many times someone reply's? Better yet, why's it any of your business? Get your finger out of your nose, thumb out of your butt, and worry a little more about yourself and little less about what mountain has to say. That's the second time I've heard you say something ignorant about one of his posts.
...back to the Osprey.....
I talked to a SNA (1st Lt) that is in Advanced for Helo's, he said that the Osprey will more than likely be in one of the Pipelines by the time I get there. My question is: Which Pipeline?
"You forgot your fortune cookie"
Dirty Harry
I talked to a SNA (1st Lt) that is in Advanced for Helo's, he said that the Osprey will more than likely be in one of the Pipelines by the time I get there. My question is: Which Pipeline?
"You forgot your fortune cookie"
Dirty Harry
Perhaps you need a review in proper nouns and military abbreviations. "That general" is much different than "General XXXX" or "GEN" or when somebody is being a general jackass. If I've got a question about an upcoming platform--I'm pretty sure this is a good place to post it.
Likewise if I have an answer. . . I'll be sure to filter everything through you from now on.
I'm not saying that the V-22 doesn't bring some great capabilities to the table. It's a compromise between a F/W and a helo. As such, it reflects compromises between the two. E.g. its rotors aren't quite rotors and not quite propellors, but in-between, so their lift characteristics are kind of funky, from what I've been told.
It also isn't really integrated into the big picture. There's nothing that can provide good escort for it. An A-10 or A-1 (to go back a ways) might be the kind of thing you'd need, but how many of those does the Corps own? We can say we'll "hit 'em where they ain't" all we want, but the day the enemy shows up unexpectedly with some RPGs and Stingers, some V-22s will be toast. That is, unless they're either well-armed or well-escorted, neither of which appears to be in the cards right now.
If anyone closer to the V-22 program than me has an answer, pls write!
Phrogs phorever
It also isn't really integrated into the big picture. There's nothing that can provide good escort for it. An A-10 or A-1 (to go back a ways) might be the kind of thing you'd need, but how many of those does the Corps own? We can say we'll "hit 'em where they ain't" all we want, but the day the enemy shows up unexpectedly with some RPGs and Stingers, some V-22s will be toast. That is, unless they're either well-armed or well-escorted, neither of which appears to be in the cards right now.
If anyone closer to the V-22 program than me has an answer, pls write!
Phrogs phorever