A colgan Q400 Crash!?

[scoober78]

Sounds like the media is trying to villianize these pilots before they get all the facts...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090216/ap_on_re_us/plane_into_home

...And they're still retarded. Read the line about the device the pilots switched on to "speed the airplane up 20 knots"....uhhhhh....what?

Check out the attitudes they went through prior to impact. Damn. Bad day.

 

[Junkball]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090216/ap_on_re_us/plane_into_home

...And they're still retarded. Read the line about the device the pilots switched on to "speed the airplane up 20 knots"....uhhhhh....what?

Check out the attitudes they went through prior to impact. Damn. Bad day.

Sounds like a bad time for the pax. Would the "device" in question possibly be something like increasing the stick shaker/stall horn threshold?

 

[abracadabra11]

News is reporting that they were on autopilot when the mishap occurred. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493325,00.html

Sounds like the media is trying to villianize these pilots before they get all the facts...

That might just be Fox News

Am I the only person that hates Fox News just because of Shepard Smith? He wears more makeup than my damn grandmother.

Then again, I did get a 5/10 on that Fox News/Porn star quiz.

 

[abracadabra11]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090216/ap_on_re_us/plane_into_home

...And they're still retarded. Read the line about the device the pilots switched on to "speed the airplane up 20 knots"....uhhhhh....what?

Check out the attitudes they went through prior to impact. Damn. Bad day.

After reading that over and over, it becomes even more stupid. Some airline pilot should elaborate on this magic anti-stall device that 'speeds the airplane'.

 

[Herc_Dude]

I think what they were getting at with the things that "speed the airplane up 20 knots" were maybe flaps. Someone was probably explaining to them that flaps increase stall margins, etc etc ... then the reporter's infantile mind (obviously) twisted that into what we have above.

Here is something to ponder ... how many people before (and after) that flight crashed hand flew that approach into Buffalo just because of some icing? Especially the folks who fly in that shit every night ... Me thinks not too many.

 

[Tom]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/15/buffalo.plane.crash/index.html

Sounds like a textbook case of tail plane icing, especially with the sharp initial pitch up (according to the NTSB). NASA did some research on it (in a Dash 8).

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2238323060735779946

 

[C420sailor]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/15/buffalo.plane.crash/index.html

Sounds like a textbook case of tail plane icing, especially with the sharp initial pitch up (according to the NTSB). NASA did some research on it (in a Dash 8).

I may be wrong, but didn't the video you posted suggest that tail stall would cause an initial nose down attitude, not a sharp pitch up?

 

[usmcecho4]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/15/buffalo.plane.crash/index.html

Sounds like a textbook case of tail plane icing, especially with the sharp initial pitch up (according to the NTSB). NASA did some research on it (in a Dash 8).

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2238323060735779946

Good video. Nerdy but informative.

Best quote:

"Remember, in almost all tail-plane icing accidents the cockpit hits the ground first."

Semper Fi,
usmcecho4

 

[FrankTheTank]

After reading that over and over, it becomes even more stupid. Some airline pilot should elaborate on this magic anti-stall device that 'speeds the airplane'.

I will take a SWAG... Disclaimer: I have never flown a Q400 or any other prop than a T-34... But, in the airbus (A-300/310) there are 2 systems designed to prevent a stall..

Alpa Trim: Automatically trims nose down at high angle-of-attack and low speed to counter excessive angle of attack. Alpa trim is only available with the autopilot off.

Alpa Floor: Available below 100 radar altitude and requires autothrottles to be activated (not necessarily in use but armed). Basically when too high an angle of attack is sensed, it automatically commands the max thrust available for that phase on the thrust rating panel. (TOGA/Cruise/MAX)

So there may be a similar system on the Q400 and somebody may have thrown out 20 knots as a random or approx number for airspeed gaining???

 

[Tom]

I may be wrong, but didn't the video you posted suggest that tail stall would cause an initial nose down attitude, not a sharp pitch up?

I can't explain why the aircraft pitched up initially. It was a different situation in the cockpit and the crew didn't have much time to think about what was going on.

 

[MasterBates]

And now the lawyers are suing.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,502224,00.html

The lawyers claim the following

But attorney Ronald Goldman of the firm that filed the lawsuit called the plane's deicing system antiquated. The system includes strips of rubber-like material on the wings and tail that expand to break up ice, then contract and expand again to break up new ice.

Gee, the de-ice in the plane to the left, and every other fixed wing aircraft with airframe de-ice I have flown works this way. And IT WORKS!

 

[picklesuit]

Fucking sharks...one pilot shouldn't be allowed to do that to another pilot...

 

[nittany03]

Fucking sharks...one pilot shouldn't be allowed to do that to another pilot...

Filing a lawsuit before the investigation is done?? That guy is a ready-room commando of the worst sort.

 

[keeper28]

Nose landing

And this is exactly why I never fly romanian....


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,502507,00.html

 

[Fog]

And this is exactly why I never fly romanian....


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,502507,00.html

"romanian" or the Q400? Bad things keep happening to that a/c. Maybe it's the a/c itself !? Not counting the Buffalo/Colgan accident, I can recall off-hand 4 landing gear related accidents w/ that a/c.