Chance_EDO
Still a Pollywog, not yet a Shellback
Bryan, can you weigh in on this?
Is it because we only had 20 people apply for IP and they selected 10?
Is it because we only had 20 people apply for IP and they selected 10?
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17 Sept 2018 IWC DCO Board
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Chance_EDO
Still a Pollywog, not yet a Shellback
Hair Warrior, Thank you so much, I appreciate your nice explanation and congrats.
To be honest, I am very surprised I was selected. As mentioned, they messed up my MEPS paperwork so I could not be submitted for the EDO board as it was missing MEPS paperwork for my June Board.
So, instead of waiting months for the next EDO board, my OR wanted to submit me for IP as my OR said that IP was "easier to get in" and submitted everything that I had for the EDO board. Mind you, I don't have any IT certificates or Security ++.
I then found out they selected me.
This may confirm what my OR said about "IP being very easy to get in" compared to EDO.
Can you share your thoughts Hair Warrior?
To be honest, I am very surprised I was selected. As mentioned, they messed up my MEPS paperwork so I could not be submitted for the EDO board as it was missing MEPS paperwork for my June Board.
So, instead of waiting months for the next EDO board, my OR wanted to submit me for IP as my OR said that IP was "easier to get in" and submitted everything that I had for the EDO board. Mind you, I don't have any IT certificates or Security ++.
I then found out they selected me.
This may confirm what my OR said about "IP being very easy to get in" compared to EDO.
Can you share your thoughts Hair Warrior?
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I would not say "easy to get in" - and in fact, you might not want to keep repeating that in person with peer JOs or the enlisted sailors you're leading. Historically, it has been highly competitive to get selected DCO for Intel, IP, CW, and METOC (especially the last three). Personally, it took me multiple attempts. LCDR @bubblehead got selected for DCO Intel instead of his top choice of IP, and had to apply to redesignate for 1825 after qualifying as an 1835.
As you will learn throughout your Navy career, it's all about "Needs of the Navy." I can see how IP is more in-demand than EDO right now. The United States Navy needs a robust IWC and IWC Reserve. The Navy needs battlespace awareness, assured C2, and integrated fires. As an 182X, you lead the assured C2. The Navy is even looking into putting COMMOs back on CRUDES, instead of SWOs filling those billets (I'm not an expert on this, so ask a senior 182X). This year, the IWC DCO program went back to 2x boards per year, from 1x per year. The IWC also sought to plus-up its ranks, to support the new national defense strategy and in line with Congressional funding increases. So it was a good moment to apply to IWC DCO, and the selection rate data supports that.
TL;DR: It's your nickel, but I would suggest to take the commission. Become a naval officer. Go to DCOIC. Go to IPBC. Enjoy the ride. Don't look back.
I'm a current IP and from a manning perspective we need more IP's. We've been promoting IP's O4 at an insane clip the last couple of boards. Remember, there are 200 or so IP's in the entire Reserve from O1 - O6.
@Chance_EDO, you were selected, you should consider yourself extremely privileged and fortunate, and frankly, you are an idiot if you do not take this as you will never get another opportunity to commission as the next board will see that you were offered a commission and turned it down.
Keep in mind, you can try to change your designator from IP to EDO after you are fully qualified IP and have your IDWO pin. Recall, I got commissioned as INTEL because it was "easier" (i.e., I was more competitive on paper for INTEL than for IP) than IP back when I was commissioning. I changed my designator to IP. I made O4.
Remember the DCO process has nothing whatsoever to do with your ability to do to job effectively. It's a trumped up shit show that the Navy uses to make it look competitive. If you have 5 slots and 500 applicants, you have to split hairs on competitiveness. And, when you get commissioned, you will be taught what you need to be successful at the job no matter what your DCO competitive package says.
@Chance_EDO, you were selected, you should consider yourself extremely privileged and fortunate, and frankly, you are an idiot if you do not take this as you will never get another opportunity to commission as the next board will see that you were offered a commission and turned it down.
Keep in mind, you can try to change your designator from IP to EDO after you are fully qualified IP and have your IDWO pin. Recall, I got commissioned as INTEL because it was "easier" (i.e., I was more competitive on paper for INTEL than for IP) than IP back when I was commissioning. I changed my designator to IP. I made O4.
Remember the DCO process has nothing whatsoever to do with your ability to do to job effectively. It's a trumped up shit show that the Navy uses to make it look competitive. If you have 5 slots and 500 applicants, you have to split hairs on competitiveness. And, when you get commissioned, you will be taught what you need to be successful at the job no matter what your DCO competitive package says.
For this go around since they needed more IP's then yes, IP may have been "easier" from a simple numbers perspective. That is, if they needed 10 IP's and 4 EDO's for this board, the competitiveness for EDO's will be more that IP simply because of the number of selections they needed to make.
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Chance_EDO
Still a Pollywog, not yet a Shellback
@bubblehead, Bryan and HairWarrior, thank you so much!
I really appreciate your nice explanations.
I want to serve but sadly, my employer will have a problem with me serving. I do not know if I can accept the commission for IP as my employer frankly said he can deal with the time away for EDO (2 weeks each time) but he cannot deal with the 26 weeks needed for the IP role.
I feel stressed as I do not want to lose my job.
I really appreciate your nice explanations.
I want to serve but sadly, my employer will have a problem with me serving. I do not know if I can accept the commission for IP as my employer frankly said he can deal with the time away for EDO (2 weeks each time) but he cannot deal with the 26 weeks needed for the IP role.
I feel stressed as I do not want to lose my job.
exNavyOffRec
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Like @RUFiO181 said it seems many OR's/NRD's were caught off guard by this board since it was the one that was added when they went to 2 boards a year vice 1, so there were fewer application and a 50% selection rate compared to the selection rate normally in the teens, that means everyone had a much better chance at this board, this is an anomaly.
Sometimes just being lucky gets you to where you want to be, take it and run with it.
Who cares? There was obviously something in your package that they liked and felt would make you a value to the community. Remember, they do not always pick identical ducks, and as @NavyOffRec said, timing is important.
If you turn down IP you will never get the opportunity to commission as an EDO because the board will not select you. You had your chance and turned it down.
Re, your employer. You are protected by USERRA. Not sure why the hell you said anything to your employer. That, in my opinion was a dumb move. Never show your cards until you are required to show your cards. In this case, you are not required to tell your employer anything until you have military orders in hand. My current employer doesn't even know I am in the Reserve aside from the official job application ("employment activities") that I filled out and which no one looked at. Never lie on an official job application. Note, your resume and LinkedIn are not official job apps, they are marketing tools. Same with interviewing. If something is not relevant, then don't feel obligated to bring it up.
Employers may think they have a right to know everything to protect their business, but your business is your business. Employers want 2 weeks notice but would not hesitate to fire you "at will" at the blink of an eye.
No different with the Reserve stuff. Protect yourself.
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Finally heard from my recruiter this morning via email stating he has some good news to share. Still waiting for that phone call...
Even though this is my first time through the process, just from the waiting it seems like my 100th.
Congrats to all who have already been selected and best of luck to those still awaiting their selection!
Even though this is my first time through the process, just from the waiting it seems like my 100th.
Congrats to all who have already been selected and best of luck to those still awaiting their selection!
@Chance_EDO to build on bubble’s comments:
Becoming an 1825 and receiving all the training and experience that come with it, you will not have trouble finding another, better job if needed at CACI, Leidos, SAIC, Booz Allen, Lockheed, Northrup, BAE, Boeing, Raytheon, GD, etc. The wardroom is quite a network.
And if you are still unsure about pausing your day job for a few months, why be a reservist at all? You will mob. That’s what we do.
Becoming an 1825 and receiving all the training and experience that come with it, you will not have trouble finding another, better job if needed at CACI, Leidos, SAIC, Booz Allen, Lockheed, Northrup, BAE, Boeing, Raytheon, GD, etc. The wardroom is quite a network.
And if you are still unsure about pausing your day job for a few months, why be a reservist at all? You will mob. That’s what we do.
bryanteagle6
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I don't know your job status (pay etc), but the IP qualifications and security clearance that comes with IWC will immediately make you more marketable and you may be able to find a new and better job anyway. I have been trying to get into this program since my first phone call to my recruiter in 2010, if they would have offered me the designator "coffeemaker" I would have taken it!! I wanted CW but I knew it was more competitive so I went with INTEL. I have a BS and MS work in applied mathematics but I never took physics (so my recruiter wouldn't put me in for CW). Many ppl try to get into these programs just to improve their civilian job situation. I just wanted to serve. You might be able to do both! I wouldn't make a snap judgement - think about it.
bryanteagle6
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great point! I have said before, I have been a little disappointed in the quality (mentality) of the applicants ive met over the years when we get together for the panel interviews. When no one (navy pers) is around, it was crazy what many of them where saying.
"im only doing this for the clearance -- if i have to MOB ill quit or find a reason not too -- I hope I get this so I can get a job at XXXXX and then ill get out as soon as i can -- ill lose money every time i drill, hopefully they will let me flex drill every weekend" - etc
Maybe that's why our NRD hasn't had many selected over the years. Our OIC in the region can sniff them out maybe!
I was asking why we can't just go to normal OCS and still join the Reserves like every other branch! ha
bryanteagle6
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That's like the kid I punched in the face in college for bragging that he never practices and was still better than me at Golf! ha
^^this
Chance_EDO
Still a Pollywog, not yet a Shellback
Congrats! Is that Intel? I got selected as an IP.
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Yes https://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/reference/noc/NOOCSVOL1/Documents/Manual I 62_PT_A (DESIG).pdf
Congrats!
I agree it is dumb, but personally I was apparently required to have my direct manager know for one or two of my forms, a LOR, and by my investigator. Otherwise, I haven't told anyone else at work.
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