13 Officers kicked out of Marines including Adam Ballard

[chefmike]

This is another Black Eye for USNA Football.
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2010/05/navy_marine_cheating_ballard_052510w/

You have to be a person of integrity. And to the tool that thinks" he didn’t understand the need to learn land navigation skills when technology, such as GPS, could do the work for them." ever hear of the batteries dying. What a idiot, I am glad he is gone.

 

[usmarinemike]

Utter douchebags. Day landnav is not even that hard. It's even fun if you let it be. And the problem isn't widespread like the lying douche jock is trying to say. There are too many good people there for that sort of thing to get by large scale. He better be paying back his tuiton.

Five of them were women. Must have been roommates.

 

[Steve Wilkins]

So what's the difference between this and using gouge?

 

[PropAddict]

So what's the difference between this and using gouge?

When your gouge is "too good" it's called cheating.

 

[FlyinSpy]

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2010/05/navy_marine_cheating_ballard_052510w/

"They discovered that several of the Marines’ wrong answers matched correct answers from the old test, Col. George W. Smith Jr., TBS commander, told Navy Times."

Robert Hoover: We're in trouble. I just checked with the guys at the Jewish house and they said that every one of our answers on the Psych test was wrong.
Boon: Every one? [looks at Bluto and D-Day]
Boon: Those assholes must have stolen the wrong fucking exam!

 

[Swanee]

So what's the difference between this and using gouge?

Using a matrix to fill in an answer sheet instead of plotting points and finding your way through the Quantico highlands to find your boxes is cheating.

 

[Steve Wilkins]

Using a matrix to fill in an answer sheet instead of plotting points and finding your way through the Quantico highlands to find your boxes is cheating.

But wouldn't you still have to actually find the boxes?

 

[HueyCobra8151]

But wouldn't you still have to actually find the boxes?

No, you would just take a nap out in the woods for a few hours, then write in the answers and pretend to be sweaty when you turn your card in.

 

[Steve Wilkins]

No, you would just take a nap out in the woods for a few hours, then write in the answers and pretend to be sweaty when you turn your card in.

Ok, I think I understand now. Yeah, that's cheating. Fuck em.

 

[scoolbubba]

Land Nav: Not that difficult, and not worth paying back an education for. Fail.

 

[fc2spyguy]

he said. “At the point of friction, you may not have a GPS signal . . .

Where's that buzzword thread?

WRT this thread I agree, cheat on something like that and see ya later. It's not quite different from taking a crowbar to a safe, only harder to figure it out . . .

 

[gotta_fly]

From the article:


Smith recommended that all 13 Marines tied to the scam be administratively discharged. That decision, he said, was approved by the commanding generals of Training and Education Command and Marine Corps Combat Development Command, Commandant Gen. James Conway and by Juan Garcia, assistant secretary of the Navy for Manpower and Reserve Affairs.
“The commandant has made it clear that we can tolerate many things, but not integrity violations,” said Lt. Col. Matthew McLaughlin, a Marine spokesman based at the Pentagon. “Personal integrity is the heart of Marine Corps leadership.”


Did I miss the Navy press release where we announced decisive action regarding the various criminal offenders in A-Pool and reaffirmed the fact that integrity is a must in the officer corps? I don't know enough about the circumstances to comment on the offense (although it sounds shady for sure) but I'm impressed with the way big MC handled it.

 

[Deror]

How hard is it to get kicked out of TBS in general? I've been told that 10% on average earn an administrative discharge for one reason or another. Seems high to me.

Glad to see that the USMC is preserving its core values.

 

[Treetop Flyer]

How hard is it to get kicked out of TBS in general? I've been told that 10% on average earn an administrative discharge for one reason or another. Seems high to me.

Glad to see that the USMC is preserving its core values.

I really doubt the number is anywhere near 10%. In my company there was one I can think of out of 260. There were a few others who were rolled to another company but even if all of them wound up getting kicked out it would still be nowhere near 10%. You have to be an utter shitbag or a criminal to get kicked out at TBS

edit: also, these guys are getting what they deserve. They told us several times that cheating, and on land nav in particular will get your crank stomped, and that they are looking for it and have found it in the past.

 

[usmarinemike]

How hard is it to get kicked out of TBS in general? I've been told that 10% on average earn an administrative discharge for one reason or another. Seems high to me.

Glad to see that the USMC is preserving its core values.

You pretty much can't get canned for performance. It's almost always character flaws. DUI, cheating, etcetera. 10% is way high. It can't be any higher than about 2%, and that's with medical discharges included.

10% is closer to attrition for OCS. You can get dropped out of there for farting wrong. 10% is on the low end depending on when you look.