Navy Denied My Criminal Waiver for A Commission

[Bevo16]

It's not about "shaping your personality accordingly".

It's about having a set of core values and high personal standards and living up to them on a daily basis.

What the boards are looking for is not something that can be faked or simply adapted to. That's why the boards look so far back, they want to know who you really are. You just told us that you are someone who can fake it, and adapt to what you think the Navy is looking for. You just justified why the boards look at records the way they do.

Good luck.

 

[fyr3wyr3]

It's not about "shaping your personality accordingly".

It's about having a set of core values and high personal standards and living up to them on a daily basis.

What the boards are looking for is not something that can be faked or simply adapted to. That's why the boards look so far back, they want to know who you really are. You just told us that you are someone who can fake it, and adapt to what you think the Navy is looking for. You just justified why the boards look at records the way they do.

Good luck.

whoa whoa whoa.. sorry sir but it offends me to say "I am faking it" No, it must be my fault as I was unclear please let me rephrase. the values and morals i have are ones which i derived. having no consistent male role model, being a different race trying to find where i belong.. I have had to find and define MY OWN morals which i uphold on a daily basis. my family is of christian background and i believe strongly in much of its teachings to others. I am sorry as I suppose I cannot expect you to understand what it is to adapt to the extent i do. it is not fake nor half "assed" by any stretch. If i make a mistake i look at why it happened how it did, and how to prevent and apply from thereon. I never had a dad telling me what to be or how to be. It may be futile to continue to explain this to you but please just know it is not fake or temporary adaption. No sir.

 

[xmid]

Dude, you seem to be dodging the blame for the situation you're in. "Your significant missfortune to not have it on paper in your younger years"?... YOU repeatedly committed criminal acts. Its not like it is a paperwork mix up that you have that record... And as for your up-bringing, while I feel for your situation, alot of people have bad up-bringing's and don't take the road you did. Some even use it as their motivation to be the best person they can so they can make life better for themselves. We all make mistakes, but own up to them. If you stand zero chance of joining the military at this point, then the only one responsible for that is you. I think if you come to terms with that the recruiter may, at the very least, have more respect for you.

And if you were raised in an all Korean neighborhood you would be bitching about how you weren't given the same opportunities as those who grew up in the "all white" neighborhoods. I don't buy that line of bullshit and you're still dodging bullets.

 

[EM1]

A waiver is never a garuntee, no matter who looks at it. A waiver is just that: a waiver to policy. Meaning that there is a standard that you don't meet, and are trying to get an exception to.. Doesnt matter if its 7 or 3, it's still an exception to the standards.

As was stated, congress can only help if the military violated policy in their proceedings. They did not violate anything.

 

[Picaroon]

I am a very unique person who currently accomplishing so many great feats and truly feels destined for greatness, but unfortunately I have taken a rocky and "looked down upon from society" type of approach to get to where I am.

Stupid society, looking down on arsonists and drug addicts.


I really hope you're trolling and not serious.

 

[fyr3wyr3]

Some questions:

Hold old are you now? What have you been doing between the time you were 17 and now?

Were there any legitimate extenuating circumstances that would help to explain your patter of misconduct (e.g., deaths in the family, physical abuse, clinical depression, etc.)?

What would the rest of your application package look like? Degree? Grades? Volunteering? Have you gotten into any trouble since you were 17? Does your time in college indicate that you have learned from your mistakes? Employment?

You have to understand that there are many highly qualified people applying for OCS who have zero criminal/drug backgrounds/history.

A recruiter may not want to work with you because it's simply too much leg work on his part, given your history, esptically when he has 20 other folks with stellar backgrounds knocking on this door.

Your best bet may be to enlist, prove yourself, and then apply for OCS. There are plenty of other folks who have gone this route.

I am 24, since I was 17/18 I have been in and out of college due to lack of interest, bad grades, and other ambitions with no real goal until the beginning of 2007 (when i was 21). In 2007 i think i subconsciously had it with being a loser.. All I had under my belt was failed semesters and a criminal record all in the name of trying to figure out who i was and what i wanted. I quit dipping and started working out like crazy as i was kicked out of school at this time. I started nearly full time training MMA (mixed martial arts, ufc fighting) and had great success with it. I used what i learned from MMA (my mentality, and attitude) toward school when i started back up in spring 08 and have had a 3.85 full time gpa since then. Unfortunately i received an ulnar nerve injury from an armbar to my right elbow in mid 2008 so i cannot train MMA anymore, but it was what really changed me. I still workout hardcore 4-5 times a week and strive for perfection and excellence in everything i do. My degree is Interdisciplinary studies with concentrations on math and military history (my advisor and i set this up for naval aviation). I have been completely out of trouble with the law since i was 17/18. I am and have been fully aware and understand all my competition to do what i want to do, but that's not the point here in pursuing what i am now even though it is a large factor. I have FULLY committed myself to this venture, and if I CANNOT become one I need to know when Im on my death bed on day.. i can say to myself THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE I COULD HAVE DONE.. if not I have failed yet again...

 

[fyr3wyr3]

Dude, you seem to be dodging the blame for the situation you're in. "Your significant missfortune to not have it on paper in your younger years"?... YOU repeatedly committed criminal acts. Its not like it is a paperwork mix up that you have that record... And as for your up-bringing, while I feel for your situation, alot of people have bad up-bringing's and don't take the road you did. Some even use it as their motivation to be the best person they can so they can make life better for themselves. We all make mistakes, but own up to them. If you stand zero chance of joining the military at this point, then the only one responsible for that is you. I think if you come to terms with that the recruiter may, at the very least, have more respect for you.

My misfortune as in not helping me out right now.. I take FULL responsibility for what I did. All I'm saying is the person i was then IS NOT who I am NOW in anyway. Actually i am on that road you stated "alot of people have bad up-bringing's and don't take the road you did. Some even use it as their motivation to be the best person they can so they can make life better for themselves." and have been for a while. Did i make it sound like its not my fault? That was not my intention...

 

[fyr3wyr3]

And if you were raised in an all Korean neighborhood you would be bitching about how you weren't given the same opportunities as those who grew up in the "all white" neighborhoods. I don't buy that line of bullshit and you're still dodging bullets.

If I was born in an all korean neighborhood I'd be a COMPLETELY different person so I don't think that would be a valid scenario here. I have no asian friends.. as i never could relate to them as well (just goes to show you how accepted by white society i was until my HS yrs). The situation would not be the same and I cannot speak for a "What if" situation for myself which forks down a completely different route. Im sorry that you think all this is bitching, but thank you anyways for reply.

 

[fyr3wyr3]

Stupid society, looking down on arsonists and drug addicts.

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I really hope you're trolling and not serious.

Im not trying to imply that i think society is stupid for looking down on arsonists and drug addicts. I'm saying it IS looked down upon. Thank you for your reply and proving my point... and I'm dead serious about this as i wouldn't be replying to everyone on here.

 

[Picaroon]

Im not trying to imply that i think society is stupid for looking down on arsonists and drug addicts. I'm saying it IS looked down upon. Thank you for your reply and proving my point... and I'm dead serious about this as i wouldn't be replying to everyone on here.

Well you're the one destined for greatness, but you might want to look into how you use scare quotes. Meanwhile, good luck using accutane to get you out of a criminal record.

 

[60flyer]

Jesus...how many times are you going to say you're a Korean with a hard life? Get over it - nobody cares. And nobody cares that you can talk a good game about how you've changed and your dreams and how you believe you can do SO well in the military.

The military knows what it wants - and apparently that's not you. And as for trying to use a medical waiver to wipe out your criminal activities and visiting lawyers (what the hell is that about....were you going to sue the Navy for having standards???)... that doesn't say much about your character.

Get over it and stop whining. I hate whiners. And even more I hate whiners who blame race/circumstance for their screw-ups. Find a new path in life and contribute to society in another way...

 

[Ken_gone_flying]

I think this thread has gone as far as it can. Bottom line, there is nothing anyone on here can help you with. You are in an unfortunate situation, but its good to hear that you are making a real effort to turn your life around and be a contributor to society rather than a hindrance to society. However, all you can do is give it your best shot. And if you don't get selected, understand that maybe you made your 180 in life a little too late. Good luck though.

 

[fyr3wyr3]

Jesus...how many times are you going to say you're a Korean with a hard life? Get over it - nobody cares. And nobody cares that you can talk a good game about how you've changed and your dreams and how you believe you can do SO well in the military.

The military knows what it wants - and apparently that's not you. And as for trying to use a medical waiver to wipe out your criminal activities and visiting lawyers (what the hell is that about....were you going to sue the Navy for having standards???)... that doesn't say much about your character.

Get over it and stop whining. I hate whiners. And even more I hate whiners who blame race/circumstance for their screw-ups. Find a new path in life and contribute to society in another way...

No i would never want to sue the military i would only use lawyers to try to get me in. How am I whining? I was answering questions. Im not one to normally state the "because im black/asian isnt it" approach.. also speaking of character.. if you didn't have anything positive to say.. why did you?

 

[fyr3wyr3]

I think this thread has gone as far as it can. Bottom line, there is nothing anyone on here can help you with. You are in an unfortunate situation, but its good to hear that you are making a real effort to turn your life around and be a contributor to society rather than a hindrance to society. However, all you can do is give it your best shot. And if you don't get selected, understand that maybe you made your 180 in life a little too late. Good luck though.

I wish the world had more people like you in it. thanks for your support and reply bro.

 

[Van]

To give you the short answer to your question; your chances aren't good.

You have multiple criminal offenses, the Navy is already trying to shrink itself, and you're attitude isn't the best coming in. What I mean by "attitude" is, you're looking at what the Navy "should" do for you instead of what you "could" do for the Navy. What can you offer the Navy? From what it looks like, there isn't a lot for them to jump up and down about right now. I think the best advice given on here was to "try" to enlist. In my opinon, that is the quickest way that you can "prove yourself" to the Navy and then apply for OCS. That would give you the best chance (still slim, but there). It sounds like you're starting to get your life on track. That's good, and I hope it continues to go well.

However, you need to quit with the minority thing. That's a total cop-out. I know plenty of people who've done amazing things coming from the same place as you (minority, single parent, living among "all the white people"). That's no excuse. If you really wanted to be a Naval Aviator, you'd be darn thankful that your parents came to this country and bore you here in the land of the "oppressive white man" and aircraft that land on boats.