That makes sense, but I'm waiting for a HT guy to chime in. My recollection of SOPs and things Wiener oriented are fading fast.
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That makes sense, but I'm waiting for a HT guy to chime in. My recollection of SOPs and things Wiener oriented are fading fast.
Is it possible the single pilot restriction is due to a single visual source? In a tandem setup, the guy in back won't see the break-out before the guy in front.
The way it was always described in IGS at NUW for the Prowler/Intruder was that both the aircrew could visually acquire the landing environment. Clearly we only had one set of instruments and only one source for them.
^^Concur. The tandem rule has to do with being able to "visually acquire the landing environment," which apparently one can not do adequately from the backseat.
Brett
Interesting...back in my E-6 days, on low ceiling/vis/at mins approaches, we would have one guy fly the approach and one guy look for the runway...if he saw it he would take the controls and land. We found the inside/outside scan degraded the approach profile. This is a simplified explanation of the responsibilities but you get my drift.FWIW, I still feel "less than single piloted" with a stud while using dual piloted rules/mins in the T-44. I would still like to hear form the 18/57 dudes too.
Well, I double checked my RWOP (2008- current) and sure enough it spells out that IP-IP the TH-57 is considered multi-piloted for weather criteria. (The 2006 version says the same thing too, but I couldn't find a couple even earlier editions I have packed away somewhere... yep, I'm a packrat.) Wingers don't count towards dual pilot though (the short explanation is the student syllabus doesn't include a proper NATOPS check so they're technically not qualified in model- "safe for solo" is a different animal). Honestly I can't remember one way or another if there have been precedents of more restrictive squadron SOPs/wing-directed read-and-initial restrictions/etc., not to say that couldn't or hasn't happened, just nothing comes to mind. Hope that helps.
I must be remembering wrong or just misheard something in IGS. The latter is certainly likely, since I didn't really listen in there anyway. On the T-34 side, it was single-pilot all the time, presumably because of the tandem seat thing. I guess that begs the question as to what minimums you should be following if the IP is in the back and breaking out at mins. Do they have "half-pilot" mins?
It's actually been mandatory for a couple of years now. Whether it's actually completed is a whole other issue.
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Actually, being dual-piloted lets you have minima of <200'.
definition per the 3710T & U... Single-Piloted Aircraft. Any aircraft that has only one set of flight controls or a tandem cockpit, or any aircraft that has two sets of flight controls and instruments and is being operated by only one pilot who meets the requirements of the NATOPS manual for that model aircraft.
with that definition, unless I'm f'd up... any tandem seat aircraft is considered single piloted. Any side by side seated aircraft is single piloted if it doesn't have two sets of controls & two NATOPS qualed pilots.
Not sure why tandem cockpit aircraft with two sets of controls & instruments with two NATOPS qualed pilots is considered single piloted... it can't be due to aft vis for the backseat pilot because, as Gator brought up, how would the rules work with an IP in the trunk of a T-34/6/45 with a student in the front. The student isn't NATOPS qualed. My guess it has to do with crew coordination with side by side seating vs tandem seating.
SF
I know it was in the 3710T & is in the 3710U, but could somebody define the boozing rules.... 12 hours bottle to flight planning ... when does flight planning start?
for some flights, flight planning could start days prior to the actual flight... hell, submitting a weekend cross country request several days or a week prior could constitute flight planning. Planning a det or transpac starts months prior...
what was wrong with 12 hours bottle to brief & free of effects?
whatever
SF
for some flights, flight planning could start days prior to the actual flight... hell, submitting a weekend cross country request several days or a week prior could constitute flight planning. Planning a det or transpac starts months prior...
what was wrong with 12 hours bottle to brief & free of effects?
whatever
SF
If that's the case, we basically can never drink, and that's bullshit.
Well unless I'm mistaken, all the T-34 students are in the back seat for their instrument flights with the IP up front. And if I remember right, the wx mins are pretty high for their normal flights. And the T-45 starts the same way with the stud in the back for the instruments. We didn't sit up front for instrument flights until after our first instrument check.