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MasterBates

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At your age the most important things in my life were:

Cars
Racing Motocross
Beer
Chasing women

I majored in mechanical engineering because it pays better and has more opportunity than being a mechanic, pro-mx was unlikely, alcoholism is a hobby not a job, and being a playa don't pay well unless you are a gigolo.

I can leave the USN tomorrow via drawdown and have a job in a week. That pays well.
 
phrogdriver

phrogdriver

More humble than you would understand
pilot
Super Moderator
Which does raise the point that education is supposed to be an end in itself, not necessarily a career maker. Remember that well over half of college grads don't get employment in the field their degrees are in. If occupational relevance is all anyone needed, then universities should be abolished and replaced entirely with trade schools or one strip or another. This is an argument against aviation majors, and perhaps for philosophy, history, et al. Maybe not for bible studies, but perhaps for theology or history of religeon, etc.
 
HAL Pilot

HAL Pilot

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Contributor
MasterBates said:
So what the hell you plan on doing with a Bible Studies major?

Bible Salesman?
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Maine Vaulter said:
Because I can't think of anything more important in my life to learn more about.

Right now my career plans include 20 years (hopefuly) in the USMC. At some point during that time I plan on getting a masters or a JD and working in that field.
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I hope you get the Masters or JD quickly because I don't see you fitting in well in a squadron and life in the military is really hard when you are an outsider. I don;t see a Bachelors in Bible Study feeding and clothing your family.

I'm not knocking your religious beliefs but in my experience guys like you who wear it on their sleeves typically have a hard time socially in the military and that usually ends up effecting them in the fitrep arena.

Just my 2 cents.
 
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MasterBates

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Basically the ones that get the "feel good upgrade" are the ones who go to church, maybe volunteer there.. Any preaching/proselytizing/bitching about AOMs at strip clubs will get the downgrade real quick.
 
Maine Vaulter

Maine Vaulter

USMC Candidate - Air
Respectfuly I disagree. I don't believe that majoring in Biblical studies will turn me into an outsider. I don't preach at people, but neither do I hide what I believe. I have no experiance in the military so I can't argue with either of your experiances, but imo if someone has strong beliefs, but is respectful of other peoples beliefs or lack of them, then he should fit in OK imo.

As for a degree being useful after the military I am interested to hear more of your opinions about this. The degree is a B.S. so I will have have that going for me, a question I do have is how do employers weigh flight school and service vs a degree that was earned 10+ years ago?
 
scoober78

scoober78

(HCDAW)
pilot
Contributor
Respectfuly I disagree.
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We know...but you're wrong. :)

Can we change the subject and move the hell on?:D I coulda sworn that this was on the "official" wardroom, we ain't gonna talk about it list.
 
FLYTPAY

FLYTPAY

Pro-Rec Fighter Pilot
pilot
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Maine Vaulter said:
Because I can't think of anything more important in my life to learn more about.

Right now my career plans include 20 years (hopefuly) in the USMC. At some point during that time I plan on getting a masters or a JD and working in that field.
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Why don't you become a chaplain? Kill two birds with one stone.

Maine Vaulter said:
I have no experiance in the military so I can't argue with either of your experiances, but imo if someone has strong beliefs, but is respectful of other peoples beliefs or lack of them, then he should fit in OK imo.
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I guarantee if those were Islamic beliefs you would run into a solid brick wall at some point.
 
Maine Vaulter

Maine Vaulter

USMC Candidate - Air
FLYTPAY said:
Why don't you become a chaplain? Kill two birds with one stone.


I guarantee if those were Islamic beliefs you would run into a solid brick wall at some point.
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If I could be a Marine and a chaplain at the same time I might consider it.

I not sure I understand what the Islam comment means, but I have a couple close friends who are Muslims so I believe I can be respectful and desagree with people at the same time.
 
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MasterBates

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There are. I winged with one. And how would it be getting away with jack if there were not? I can count the Jewish Naval Aviators I know on 1 hand.
 
SemperGumbi

SemperGumbi

Just a B guy.
pilot
I'm hoping to make this thread into not only a religion thread, but also a politics thread. Not really, but in case it seems that way...

If you ask most people in America who their favorite candidate is for the presidental race, they will give you a name (ok, people in tune enough to know there is in fact a president of the US, and that a new one is being elected in the semi-near future).

The answer usually is somewhat like, "I like ________." Or "I think ___________ is the best choice."

Now ask them about 3 issues they agree on. Even the clever ones who can actually name three issues will usually be stumped if you ask them to really explain what the candidates position is. Yet they are damn sure which candidate they want to win.

Point? Yes, there is a relevant one for this topic, and even the military at large.

Those people are really just voting for who they like. Who seems like a good guy/gal to them. Hell, they will vote for a person they think would be fun to hang out with at the bar. Now these 90%+ people don't usually even know that is why they want their candidate to win, but study after study shows that is the real reason. (How this little thing works is a whole 'nother can of worms.)

Turns out, this is the same thing when it comes to job performance. People who the boss "likes" (no surprise) tend to get promoted....or get good fitreps. If you are a super hard worker and really good at your job, but generally believed to be a douche, you won't be rated as well as Franky, fun guy who is awesome to hang out with. It is the way of politics, private business, and the military.

Soooooooooo........I stick to my guns that being a ready room asset quite is possibly a bigger deal than having a CFII going into flight school. Not that it will probably hurt your NSS, but being a good dude won't hurt it, either. And that means drinking and getting chicks. :)
 
Raptor2216

Raptor2216

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Maine Vaulter said:
Respectfuly I disagree. I don't believe that majoring in Biblical studies will turn me into an outsider. I don't preach at people, but neither do I hide what I believe. I have no experiance in the military so I can't argue with either of your experiances, but imo if someone has strong beliefs, but is respectful of other peoples beliefs or lack of them, then he should fit in OK imo.
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Listen, you have people telling you what sort of a community you will be joining should you choose to pursue a career military aviation. I also don't agree with your outlook of "I don't preach at people, but neither do I hide what I believe" because you essentially contradicted yourself there. You don't have the life experience to have an opinion for the simple reason that you haven't been exposed to the military.
 
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