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wink

War Hoover NFO.
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Do Corpsman take the Hippocratic oath? A version of it?
No they don't. Well, I have seen an oath, I don't know if it is officially administered. It isn't like the Hippocratic oath. It pledges that a Corpsman will not allow harm to come to patients, they will assist the medical officer, not over medicate, etc. And yes, they do defend themselves.

RPs, the enlisted Chaplain assistants, are actually trained in small unit tactics and carry weapons to protect the Chaplains assigned to the FMF. They are basically personal body guards.
 

A4sForever

BTDT OLD GUY
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.....RPs, the enlisted Chaplain assistants, are actually trained in small unit tactics and carry weapons to protect the Chaplains assigned to the FMF. .....
I believe it's called: "Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition"? :)
 

wink

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Just to ride on what Wink was saying - the reason that doctors can't fly combat missions is the same reason that the Marines use Navy medical personnel - the Hippocratic Oath. At least, that's one reason, and the one I've heard most. I'm not sure how much that applies to regulations, but there it is.
Right on! Because every Marine is a rifleman, he can't be sworn to preserve life.
 

Brett327

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I always assumed it was based in international law/treaty. However, I have seen the Navy regulation myself, although it was years ago. I would be very interested in you friend's experience. The regulation said that once you become a 210x or 410x you have to resign other designators or subspecialties that require offensive combat. You do not see docs with the FMF humping a rifle and leading Marines on combat foot patrols do you? So why is it that it would be ok for a doc to launch a couple HARMs down the throats of the enemy. If you are implying that your buddy flies operational missions, how does he square that with his oath?

This guy was assigned as a pilot in an operational squadron (mine), and while we had another Flight Surgeon, this guy would serve in that capacity as well from time to time. I'll have to dig into the instructions to see if I can find anything - again, just to give him grief. I personally have no problem with docs taking an active role in combat operations, and I wouldn't think the Hippocratic oath is legally binding in any way, but it is interesting from an intellectual standpoint.

Brett
 

eddie

Working Plan B
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My dad worked with a guy who was in in either Mossad or Israeli special forces. He said they always operated with a full MD (NOT just an 18D type corpsman / medic) as part of a unit. Don't know if that makes him a shooter or not, but this thread piqued my curiosity on that point.
 

FMRAM

Combating TIP training AGAIN?!
I've been an amateur Gynecologist for several years. :D

Brett

Brett's Halloween alter-ego...Dr. Howie Feltersnatch M.D.

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Tex_Hill

Airborne All the Way!!!
During WWII Army medics were prohibited from carrying a weapon for personal protection - although some did so anyway. Currently the only personnel restricted from carrying a weapon for personal protection are chaplains, and I know there have been a few chaplains who have carried a sidearm with them even though it's against reg's. Easier to beg forgiveness than to ask for permission I guess. ;)
 

Brett327

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During WWII Army medics were prohibited from carrying a weapon for personal protection - although some did so anyway. Currently the only personnel restricted from carrying a weapon for personal protection are chaplains, and I know there have been a few chaplains who have carried a sidearm with them even though it's against reg's. Easier to beg forgiveness than to ask for permission I guess. ;)

It's also easier to beg for forgiveness when you're still alive. :D

Brett
 
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