Power, wave off, abort, $#%$, Eject!

[Brett327]

Who's serious??? This is Air Warriors ... but I still could have "completed" you, unless you're a cretin .... and that's no joke.

Steve had you at hello.

Brett

 

[A4sForever]

Steve had you at hello.

Brett

NFO's and Black Shoes ... I feel so dirty ....

 

[A4sForever]

Not true. I had to take my own ...just last year....

Based on what you've posted ... I think you did what you had to do and you did everything right. Water off a duck's back ...

Why couldn't THEY hear you ...???

 

[A4sForever]

....Somehow it didn't stick in my mind that it was MOVLAS. Come around the corner, see about a ball high and think; "Cool, right where I would like to start."..... Thinking, "Dude, it's stable, I'm good" ...my mind says, "Dude, you're high."

LSO : "Wave off, wave off"

As I go by the island at about eye level over the ramp it finally dawns on me...."Oh, they said MOVLAS recovery. The debrief went something like, "Hey,....

Groovy.

It's a good thing you didn't think and fly like that while landing on MY deck ... as the debrief would have gone something "like" ....

"Dude ... (except we didn't say "dude" ... as we weren't stoners) .... YOU ARE GROUNDED."

Believe it.

I weep.

 

[Cougar_62]

Sorry for showing my ignorance, but what does MOVLAS mean?

 

[Chubby]

Manually Operated Visual Landing Aid System.

 

[JustAGuy]

"Dude ... (except we didn't say "dude" ... as we weren't stoners) .... YOU ARE GROUNDED."

Believe it.

I weep.

Hey, one stupid mistake as a nugget taught me a valuable lesson. Personally, I was not a 4.0 ball flyer my first cruise out and had to figure it out for myself, making some dumb mistakes behind the boat and having paddles take some time with me. Nothing unsafe, but ball flying for me is not something that can just be talked about, it has to be done to understand.

 

[Intruder Driver]

Totally correct.

BUT: you don't take one for "safety of flight" ... WTF do YOU know about your "safety" at the boat/groove/on the ball, anyway .... ?????

You guys don't get it these days, I guess .... once you "call the ball" AND GET A "Roger Ball" ... the pass is NOT YOURS .... it's controlled by the LSO. He bears the "responsibility" if you F-it-up and that's the whole truth ....

GET USED TO IT..... REALIZE IT .... PROFIT FROM IT .... BE A BETTER BOAT PILOT AS A RESULT!!!!!

I don't know WHAT the hell they teach you these days ... but I weep. Just weep .... for the future of Naval Aviation ...

Kinder and gentler Navy; keeps them from having to bring Dr. Phil onboard to help comfort a nugget who has an LSO's boot stuck up his ass. We all weep.....

 

[bunk22]

Based on what you've posted ... I think you did what you had to do and you did everything right. Water off a duck's back ...

Why couldn't THEY hear you ...???

Paddles heard all of my calls but said they were confused Not sure as to why they were confused, we made it clear, my fuel dump was inop, we couldn't dump gas and were almost 4000lbs to heavy to come aboard (max trap weight of COD is 49K and we were almost 53K). Of course the calls got shorter as we got closer and my first 3 calls were to tower. I don't blame paddles, the descriptive calls were to the boss and he had plenty of time to answer. The boss was my former skipper, a COD pilot, and for whatever reason, this wasn't the first time he didn't respond to issues and I'm not just talking about COD issues...all aircraft.

 

[MasterBates]

Another Det-5 Wunderkid Bunky?

 

[Intruder Driver]

Paddles heard all of my calls but said they were confused Not sure as to why they were confused, we made it clear, my fuel dump was inop, we couldn't dump gas and were almost 4000lbs to heavy to come aboard (max trap weight of COD is 49K and we were almost 53K). Of course the calls got shorter as we got closer and my first 3 calls were to tower. I don't blame paddles, the descriptive calls were to the boss and he had plenty of time to answer. The boss was my former skipper, a COD pilot, and for whatever reason, this wasn't the first time he didn't respond to issues and I'm not just talking about COD issues...all aircraft.

Bunk, reminds me of some good advice I received as a nugget: Sometimes you have to do what you have to do and then sort it out when the flight is over. Much better than doing otherwise and being the only person at a green-clothed table without a water glass.

 

[Paddles]

Yes, Dude, Safety of flight included for taking OWO. That does not include where you think you are on glideslope! That covers all of the misc stuff like being heavy and paddles doesn't know it, etc.

 

[raptor10]

Got this from a blog I love to read, think it might be "interesting."

Air Force Fighter Jock Takes "Fly Navy" To Heart

This intriguing tale was written as an email by COL Ron Williams USAF (Ret.) to a couple of friends. It was designed to describe his experiences in the mid-1960s as an exchange officer and Navy flyer despite his air force pedigree. It is reprinted here with his permission.

My very first night carrier trap (landing) in the A-3B, (at 55,000 GW), was at 0130. It was my 4th hop of the day which had started at 0700. I had accomplished 4 day traps the day before and Navy policy was that I had to finish 6 day traps, so I would have a total of 10 day traps before my first night trap. ...............

http://tailspinstales.blogspot.com/2007/02/air-force-fighter-jock-takes-fly-navy.html

 

[Sarge]

I think it's so low that the ship normally is going to have the minimum requirement. The COD requires the highest.

Viking WOD requirements are -4 knots (yes a tailwind). I remember the C-2's 25 knot requirement having to do with flying qualities and not the structural limits of the airframe/tailhook as most of the other WOD requirements are based.

 

[kmac]

Viking WOD requirements are -4 knots (yes a tailwind). I remember the C-2's 25 knot requirement having to do with flying qualities and not the structural limits of the airframe/tailhook as most of the other WOD requirements are based.

I don't know enough to argue this point, but how can flying characteristics be affected by wind (aside from the effects of island, burble, etc.)? In other words on-speed is the same regardless of the wind over the deck (for a given aircraft weight). Flying characteristics wise, the aircraft gets pretty squirrely at anything below 44K. Therefore, we have a hold down of 4.0 (which the ship never seems to know about, nor which I can find in writing anywhere). Aside from the fact that the power changes at a lighter weight are much more amplified (think differences in relative thrust from each side, p-factor, center of gravity changes as we get lighter), the aircraft seems to "float" over the ramp with the no-sh!t ground effect. Power levers to idle before and on touchdown are not uncommon... just don't mention it to paddles much as the non-Hawkeye/Greyhound guys get freaked out when they hear that.