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Quality spread at TBS

airwinger

Member
pilot
To any recent TBS grads, is quality spread for MOS assignment still used? The Marine Corps times has a story recently that implied it's all merit based now?
 

jamnww

Hangar Four
pilot
No quality spread is not exactly being used anymore...now they use the 3rds based on your grades where the top of each 3rd gets a top pick...its not as bad as it used to be but there is still some who get MOSs that they never wanted...

Did that answer your question?
 

squeeze

Retired Harrier Dude
pilot
Super Moderator
Contributor
jamnww said:
No quality spread is not exactly being used anymore...now they use the 3rds based on your grades where the top of each 3rd gets a top pick...its not as bad as it used to be but there is still some who get MOSs that they never wanted...

Did that answer your question?


That IS the quality spread system genius
 

Crowbar

New Member
None
We finished up in late June and the quality spread was still in place. And of course, MOSs could be adjusted based on SPC judgement. I really don't know how to expound on that any more.
 

jamnww

Hangar Four
pilot
I never once heard the term "quality spread" in relation to MOS selection...the only time I heard that term was in reference to the company breakdown of the company into PLTs at the beginning. Comparing the two I saw a significant number of differences between the two and therefore do not consider MOS selection in that way. If you do then fine.
 

airwinger

Member
pilot
Thanks for the info devils.

Sounds like quality spread has remained in place. By that I mean that performance is not the criterion(after needs of the Corps) that determines assignment. Hard to convince someone that being 30th in your TBS class buys you last choice while being 91st buys you first choice.

I think it's probably the worst system we could have, especially in advanced jets. Coupled with the Harrier cut, it encourages and rewards mediocrity. Two of my TBS classmates stated at the beginning of jets they were going to try and barely graduate thus guarantee hornets. They did just that and they are fighter pilots now. It could be pure luck, and if so OCS could be taken by correspondence. I was a distinguished graduate(top 5% annually) and wound up with my last choice.

I had hoped that I would wind up hornets then would write an article in the Gazette blasting this policy. Now it would only seem very self serving.
 

jamnww

Hangar Four
pilot
Thanks for the info devils.

Sounds like quality spread has remained in place. By that I mean that performance is not the criterion(after needs of the Corps) that determines assignment. Hard to convince someone that being 30th in your TBS class buys you last choice while being 91st buys you first choice.

I think it's probably the worst system we could have, especially in advanced jets. Coupled with the Harrier cut, it encourages and rewards mediocrity. Two of my TBS classmates stated at the beginning of jets they were going to try and barely graduate thus guarantee hornets. They did just that and they are fighter pilots now. It could be pure luck, and if so OCS could be taken by correspondence. I was a distinguished graduate(top 5% annually) and wound up with my last choice.

I had hoped that I would wind up hornets then would write an article in the Gazette blasting this policy. Now it would only seem very self serving.

They do the 3 tier quality spread for airframe selection? I am not sure that makes a whole lot of sense but the way the TBS method was explained to us is that you don't want all the "poor quality" officers going to the least desired jobs, they need good leaders there as well. Besides I only know of 1 person out of my TBS class who got an MOS that they just flat out didn't want...other than air contract DORs that it. I am not sure its bad at TBS...during the flight pipeline, not sure...
 

Punk

Sky Pig Wrangler
pilot
They do the 3 tier quality spread for airframe selection? I am not sure that makes a whole lot of sense but the way the TBS method was explained to us is that you don't want all the "poor quality" officers going to the least desired jobs, they need good leaders there as well. Besides I only know of 1 person out of my TBS class who got an MOS that they just flat out didn't want...other than air contract DORs that it. I am not sure its bad at TBS...during the flight pipeline, not sure...

There is definitely somesort of quality spread in place.

For example, in my selecting class, the 3rd ranked guy in Meridian got Prowlers (his last choice). The guys below him (and some did remarkably worse) got Rhinos and Hornets.

Of course, in K'rock, #1 guy his last pick (cough, me), so I'm still trying to figure that one out.
 

nocal80

Harriers
pilot
I never once heard the term "quality spread" in relation to MOS selection...the only time I heard that term was in reference to the company breakdown of the company into PLTs at the beginning. Comparing the two I saw a significant number of differences between the two and therefore do not consider MOS selection in that way. If you do then fine.

uh, what? how can there be a quality spread at the begining when no one has been evaluated yet?
 

DocT

Dean of Students
pilot
Wow, I had no idea airframe selection was on the "3rd's System" like TBS. Is that new? This just further solidifies my idea of do the work and and f___ it, it will work out in the end.
 

nocal80

Harriers
pilot
They do the 3 tier quality spread for airframe selection? I am not sure that makes a whole lot of sense but the way the TBS method was explained to us is that you don't want all the "poor quality" officers going to the least desired jobs, they need good leaders there as well. Besides I only know of 1 person out of my TBS class who got an MOS that they just flat out didn't want...other than air contract DORs that it. I am not sure its bad at TBS...during the flight pipeline, not sure...

there is no quality spread for selection out of primary. There is a jet cut for grades and that is it. I've never heard of someone with lower jet grades getting a jet slot over someone with higher jet grades for quality spread purposes. There is a quality spread for airframe selection though after winging. I agree with what airwinger said. At my selection four out of 11 dudes were below the harrier cut and there were six hornet slots. Guess what they ended up flying? the rest of the slots were given out using quality spread after # 1 got his choice.
 

jamnww

Hangar Four
pilot
uh, what? how can there be a quality spread at the begining when no one has been evaluated yet?

That is why I didn't connect the term with MOS selection. Quality Spread at the start of TBS is done based on male/female, race, PFT scores, air/ground contract, etc...that is how they split you up into Platoons and squads...
 

E5B

Lineholder
pilot
Super Moderator
Make the bad man stop!

That is why I didn't connect the term with MOS selection. Quality Spread at the start of TBS is done based on male/female, race, PFT scores, air/ground contract, etc...that is how they split you up into Platoons and squads...


You have no clue.


"Quality spread" is used in advanced helos as well as MOS selection at TBS. I'm having a hard time believing you didn't hear the term "Quality spread" at TBS.

If you have any questions, see Squeezes post above.
 

FLY_USMC

Well-Known Member
pilot
What's great is that I've even heard of so-called-kind-of-like "quality spread" going for the NFO types as well. They're having so many anthro'd out of the Prowler since we all can't be midgets, that the guys who are anthro'd out of Prowlers are guaranteed Hornets, and the shorter guys, some of which want Hornets, won't get them because they need Prowler seats filled. Talked to a pilot-->nfo transitioner(don't ask) and only 1 person in his class got what they wanted, anthro's screwed everbody, USMC that is.
 
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jamnww

Hangar Four
pilot
You have no clue.


"Quality spread" is used in advanced helos as well as MOS selection at TBS. I'm having a hard time believing you didn't hear the term "Quality spread" at TBS.

If you have any questions, see Squeezes post above.

I never once heard quality spread in reference to MOS selection, simple as that...and the only time I did hear it was in the breakdown of the company during zero week. As far as having no clue, well thanks for the assessment I am sure I will get a bill in the mail but I hardly see how not knowing that in some Companies they call MOS selection that calls into question my intelligence. Squeezes post was likewise not extremely helpful...but anyway, I hardly see it as an issue...
 
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