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What NRC considers competitive

aburg22

aburg22

Member
sasebobeast said:
If you are going aviation or swo, then the Navy doesn’t care about your major they see GPA as more weight. I can’t tell you how many people in my OCS class had random majors, with some majors I didn’t even know you can get a bachelors in. Aviators it’s all about ASTB. Big Navy is lacking lots of aviators as many are getting out due to other opportunities outside the navy. I was on an LHD the past 2 years and 4 aviators on my ship mini boss/ hanger bay officer: got out to go to business school, got out to go the airlines, got out of aviation went to medical school through navy medical school program, and another just getting out.

My first week 6-10 people in my OCS class dropped on request due to failing the eye screening with the doctor and being told they would be switching designators.

At flight school you go to an even more extensive eye screening exam. Two of my OCS classmates had to switch designators because they couldn’t pass the swim portion at flight school and both redesignated to supply corps. Lots of people drop out of flight school due to curriculum, other medical, and other out of their controls. Just ace the ASTB.

Big Navy is really hurting for pilots. If that is your dream go for it!

^Of course this is my speculation. I only been in about 2.75 years so I’m still fresh, but yeah damn graduated Navy OCS in APR2021. Anyone have question reach out personal message or whatever.

-ex SWO
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Thanks for the intel!! I feel much better about being competitive
 
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exNavyOffRec

Well-Known Member
aburg22 said:
Hey everyone, I’ve seen articles stating that the Navy is somewhere between 7,000 to 13,000 bodies short for their recruiting goals this year. I wanted some opinions on how that affects the competitiveness of programs like Pilot/NFO.
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Here is an answer I hope helps, and the answer is none.
 
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exNavyOffRec

Well-Known Member
sasebobeast said:
If you are going aviation or swo, then the Navy doesn’t care about your major they see GPA as more weight. I can’t tell you how many people in my OCS class had random majors, with some majors I didn’t even know you can get a bachelors in. Aviators it’s all about ASTB. Big Navy is lacking lots of aviators as many are getting out due to other opportunities outside the navy. I was on an LHD the past 2 years and 4 aviators on my ship mini boss/ hanger bay officer: got out to go to business school, got out to go the airlines, got out of aviation went to medical school through navy medical school program, and another just getting out.

My first week 6-10 people in my OCS class dropped on request due to failing the eye screening with the doctor and being told they would be switching designators.

At flight school you go to an even more extensive eye screening exam. Two of my OCS classmates had to switch designators because they couldn’t pass the swim portion at flight school and both redesignated to supply corps. Lots of people drop out of flight school due to curriculum, other medical, and other out of their controls. Just ace the ASTB.

Big Navy is really hurting for pilots. If that is your dream go for it!

^Of course this is my speculation. I only been in about 2.75 years so I’m still fresh, but yeah damn graduated Navy OCS in APR2021. Anyone have question reach out personal message or whatever.

-ex SWO
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aburg22 said:
Fair , well would you agree with sasebobeast?
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Aviation cares little about GPA, the ASTB is what is important for SNA/SNFO selection.

The USN is not hurting for new accession Pilots, they cut quotas across the board 2 years ago and have yet to increase them, with the exception of this last aviation board the boards for the past few years have been brutal, this last board had a high selection rate but that is most likely due to recruiters being told no SNA's would be accepted which led to recruiters not submitting application. This is what happens when recruiters listen to rumors and start doing things without listening to NRC.
 
Ventus

Ventus

Weather Guesser
pilot
2013, I had a crap GPA and I scored a 6/7/6 on the ASTB and was running a 85 PFT. Didn't get selected after 3 tries so I enlisted for 5 years. Would have gone officer a lot sooner as I had my Inter-service transfer approved pretty early on in my career, but I was injured and had to wait until I recovered. If you're enlisted and have officer aspirations, aren't terrible at your job, and your MOS isn't critically manned, you'll usually get a pat on the back or a "good on you, Marine" from HQ USMC. Do NOT however broadcast your intentions to your immediate chain of command within your MOS. Their mindset will most likely be "why should we help you when you're planning on leaving our community anyway?"

(Marine Enlisted ->Navy Officer)
 
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sasebobeast

Well-Known Member
Missed recruiting navy officer goals by :

209 in 2022
452 in 2023

Navy hits its active duty enlisted recruitment goals, but not officers​

www.navytimes.com

Navy hits its active duty enlisted recruitment goals, but not officers

The Navy is bracing for even more significant recruitment difficulties in fiscal 2023.
www.navytimes.com www.navytimes.com

“The service fell short of its goal for active duty officeraccessions by more than 200 people, bringing in 2,298 new officers rather than the 2,507 target. The Navy aimed to recruit 1,360 Reserve officers as well, but ultimately brought on a total of 982 instead.” -Navy Times SEP2022


Navy misses active duty, reserve recruiting goals for 2023​

Navy Times

www.navytimes.com

Navy misses active duty, reserve recruiting goals for 2023

The Navy missed its recruitment goals for active duty enlisted sailors by more than 7,450 troops in fiscal year 2023.
www.navytimes.com www.navytimes.com

“The Navy also failed to meet its officer goals, recruiting only 2,080 new active duty officers rather than the 2,532 target, and 1,167 Reserve officers rather than the 1,940 troops target.” -Navy Times OCT2023
 
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exNavyOffRec

Well-Known Member
sasebobeast said:
Missed recruiting navy officer goals by :

209 in 2022
452 in 2023

Navy hits its active duty enlisted recruitment goals, but not officers​

www.navytimes.com

Navy hits its active duty enlisted recruitment goals, but not officers

The Navy is bracing for even more significant recruitment difficulties in fiscal 2023.
www.navytimes.com www.navytimes.com

“The service fell short of its goal for active duty officeraccessions by more than 200 people, bringing in 2,298 new officers rather than the 2,507 target. The Navy aimed to recruit 1,360 Reserve officers as well, but ultimately brought on a total of 982 instead.” -Navy Times SEP2022


Navy misses active duty, reserve recruiting goals for 2023​

Navy Times

www.navytimes.com

Navy misses active duty, reserve recruiting goals for 2023

The Navy missed its recruitment goals for active duty enlisted sailors by more than 7,450 troops in fiscal year 2023.
www.navytimes.com www.navytimes.com

“The Navy also failed to meet its officer goals, recruiting only 2,080 new active duty officers rather than the 2,532 target, and 1,167 Reserve officers rather than the 1,940 troops target.” -Navy Times OCT2023
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I find this interesting as one of the last dashboards I saw for FY 23 only had 3 designators that stuck out as not meeting shipping goal yet and that was SWO, Supply, and CEC. Each of those designators had boards where they turned away significant numbers of applicants, so it appears it was a conscious decision to go ahead and miss goal.

It was the same in FY 22 but I think SWO was the only designator that was short, again they turned people away so conscious decision.
 
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lecdbt

New Member
Hello there.

I'd appreciate some feedback about my chances. I graduated about 4 months ago from a top 10/20 university. I'm mainly concerned about the following things:
  • OAR score—not interested in flying anything, so no ASTB-E for me; I don't know the score distribution/how it's calculated so I have no idea how competitive I am
  • GPA—bombed my first two years, then bounced back in my final two years
  • Background check—family comes from, well, let's just say an Asian country that isn't particularly friendly to the US, and I'm not entirely sure whether or not they have any potentially questionable political connections
  • Medical clearance: biggest one is asthma, which reappeared after 10 years of dormancy when I was starting high school and disappeared again afterwards, but there are other potential issues as well (which I'm probably not going to disclose here unless via DM)
Citizenship status: US citizen that's lived in the US all my life
Age: 23
Degree: Bachelors in Public Policy Studies and Political Sciences
GPA: 2.953
OAR: 65
Leadership: Various internships that had individual/small team-based projects related to social sciences
No previous service

Also incidentally I did write a BA thesis related to naval theory but I'm not sure whether or not to mention that ?.
 
FormerRecruitingGuru

FormerRecruitingGuru

Making Recruiting Great Again
lecdbt said:
Hello there.

I'd appreciate some feedback about my chances. I graduated about 4 months ago from a top 10/20 university. I'm mainly concerned about the following things:
  • OAR score—not interested in flying anything, so no ASTB-E for me; I don't know the score distribution/how it's calculated so I have no idea how competitive I am
  • GPA—bombed my first two years, then bounced back in my final two years
  • Background check—family comes from, well, let's just say an Asian country that isn't particularly friendly to the US, and I'm not entirely sure whether or not they have any potentially questionable political connections
  • Medical clearance: biggest one is asthma, which reappeared after 10 years of dormancy when I was starting high school and disappeared again afterwards, but there are other potential issues as well (which I'm probably not going to disclose here unless via DM)
Citizenship status: US citizen that's lived in the US all my life
Age: 23
Degree: Bachelors in Public Policy Studies and Political Sciences
GPA: 2.953
OAR: 65
Leadership: Various internships that had individual/small team-based projects related to social sciences
No previous service

Also incidentally I did write a BA thesis related to naval theory but I'm not sure whether or not to mention that ?.
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The low-ish GPA and BA degree is going to limit options, even if you have a stellar OAR.
 
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exNavyOffRec

Well-Known Member
lecdbt said:
Hello there.

I'd appreciate some feedback about my chances. I graduated about 4 months ago from a top 10/20 university. I'm mainly concerned about the following things:
  • OAR score—not interested in flying anything, so no ASTB-E for me; I don't know the score distribution/how it's calculated so I have no idea how competitive I am
  • GPA—bombed my first two years, then bounced back in my final two years
  • Background check—family comes from, well, let's just say an Asian country that isn't particularly friendly to the US, and I'm not entirely sure whether or not they have any potentially questionable political connections
  • Medical clearance: biggest one is asthma, which reappeared after 10 years of dormancy when I was starting high school and disappeared again afterwards, but there are other potential issues as well (which I'm probably not going to disclose here unless via DM)
Citizenship status: US citizen that's lived in the US all my life
Age: 23
Degree: Bachelors in Public Policy Studies and Political Sciences
GPA: 2.953
OAR: 65
Leadership: Various internships that had individual/small team-based projects related to social sciences
No previous service

Also incidentally I did write a BA thesis related to naval theory but I'm not sure whether or not to mention that ?.
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Are you looking at SWO?
 
aburg22

aburg22

Member
FormerRecruitingGuru said:
For aviation? If so you really need to improve that ASTB score.
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Yes, hoping to go SNA. I’m 26 with a Masters in Business Admin, but I’m hoping to go next year or 2025. I am stressing a little about the terrain part of the ASTB. Do you think starting flight training later (older) than most other people is ideal? Any advice to improve my odds of being selected?
 
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