For example, if run rampant, an ENS could tell me their pronouns are “Sir/Skipper” ????.
I’m joking obviously, for anyone that can’t tell.
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Being Gay in Naval Aviation
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I’m joking obviously, for anyone that can’t tell.
Task Force One Navy Completes Report to Enhance Navy Diversity
“The percentage of officers selected for promotion suggests officers from underrepresented groups promote at approximately the same percentages as white officers. However, the number of eligible officers in the three "control grades" of O-4 through O-6 shows that minority groups remain underrepresented, which affects the numbers of underrepresented groups in the Flag Officer ranks.”
This is just an excerpt from a navy.mil article. Every Navy command has a Diversity Committee. The Navy does not need to release a specific instruction that would put certain groups at the front of the line, that would be discriminatory towards whatever group they consider the majority. However, when you read things like this where they are concerned about how many underrepresented officers are getting promoted in comparison to White officers, how is it not obvious that they want to take into account the gender or racial identity of the applicant? If it is important enough for the Navy to dedicate a whole investigation into, it is likely important enough for them to push for certain groups to advance more.
I don’t believe there is anything wrong with being Gay, or whatever other sexuality someone might be, that’s their personal stuff, but it’s silly to not see that identifying some sort of way or being a certain race offers more protection and occasionally more opportunities. At least from what I have witnessed during my time.
Yes, I'm familiar with TF1's work, but that blurb is an acknowledgement that a disparity exists, and that there is a concern. The Navy can certainly state a goal of increasing representation for minority groups without putting its thumb on the scale at selection boards, etc. That would be a violation of DoD policy. This is where people misunderstand the actual policy and imagine policies (or conspiracies) that do not exist.
Bringing this back to the OP's question, and your own misperception, there's no way for a statutory or admin selection board to know what someone's sexual preference is, so how, exactly would that whole preferential treatment for gay guys thing work for leadership positions?
Answer: it doesn't.
Depending on the CO, being “out” LGBT has not always been FITREP/career enhancing for JOs. That has become less of a common issue as the newness has worn off and the less accepting individuals have been promoted out of squadron leadership levels or retired. It still pops up every once in a while throughout the services.
There have been assholes here and there, and probably some will always slip through the cracks. I remember being at the bar with some JOs and baby O4s, one of whom had a bit darker complexion than my German/Irish ass. He told the story about how in one phase of training which shall remain nameless, he ended up getting grades adjusted upward after it came to light that an instructor was grading folks of certain complexions lower than others. Bigotry is rare in Naval Aviation, but rare doesn't mean "totally gone."
“How about I just call you Ensign…”
Spekkio
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Brett let's be honest: if you put 10,000 officers O4 and below in a room there's a high chance that 9,950 of them have never bothered to read the publicly available selection board precepts.
Which is ironic because they write their own fitreps and this is basically the answer key for promotion regarding what to highlight in the writeup. Wouldn't be too bad except that I'm pretty sure the majority of COs haven't ever read them, either.
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Not sure what your point is here. The board members certainly read them, and the community briefs, etc. In any case, they contain no guidance on selecting LGTBQ personnel.
Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
jfc this is a dense response.
You're responding to a poster who isn't even in the Navy with rhetorical questions and sarcastic remarks about selection board precepts, yet the majority of actually commissioned officers wouldn't know wtf you're talking about.
So instead of referencing instructions virtually no one reads as a 'duh, it's obvious the board doesn't discriminate and you're stupid for thinking otherwise' response maybe you could point people to these resources.
And maybe if more COs who were 'in the know' did this sort of thing and effectively counseled their JOs, we wouldn't have 10,000 articles on Proceedings railing against the Navy performance evaluation policy that almost no one understands.
Are you reading the same thread as everyone else? I was rebutting an assertion (from a guy that was in the Navy) that LGTBQ gets preferential treatment at selection boards. My question about providing instructions/precepts was rhetorical. There are no such resources and this has nothing to do with the FITREP system.
Hope that helps clear up your confusion.
At least one sim ip in kignsville was removed within the past 2 years ago due to his comments to a gay student about that. He was an older guy, but it does happen.
Sounds like the proper action was taken as a result. I’ve seen both an active duty flight instructor and a sim instructor removed for different reasons than being homophobic etc. While I don’t know for sure in one of the situations, in the other it was probably for rightful cause. They navy loves removing COs for silly reasons, but as a JO or contractor you have to pretty royally screw up to get fired. IMHO.
Also, a lot of students don’t realize that critiques matter. If you see something F’ed up, say something. Either during end of course critiques or anymouse. Saying nothing fixes nothing. Also, have an “actionable” critique. In other words, saying the sim building isn’t standardized with flight side doesn’t tell anyone where the disconnect is. Give specific examples.
Also don’t forget to give positive critiques to the instructors (both sim and flight side) that helped you learn the important shit best.
Good. It's not a sinecure. Get with the program or retire. My twentysomething self was pretty anti-gay, but it's because of the time I grew up in and my lack of life experience. If my fortysomething self who served with several outstanding LGBT Sailors was the same way, I'd have wasted half my life.