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The SHOW: Airlines still a "good gig"??

SynixMan

HKG Based Artificial Excrement Pilot
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Interesting to think of this as US Centric. Meanwhile ILS is still the lowest common denominator elsewhere and Karachi Control can barely be understood, let alone use CPDLC. I remain skeptical of ATC upgrades, but hey, it may happen slowly!
 

Mirage

Well-Known Member
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RNPs are much more common in my experience than some here apparently. Maybe it's the regional routes to smaller mountain towns like Kalispell, or maybe it's the E-175 or my company. Either way, I fly them frequently.. multiple times a week. That includes many times where I'm in VNAV Path mode for the entire flight. Some large airports even use them, like LAX if you're landing west and coming from the north (from memory I think it's landing 24R off of an arrival from the north.) The arrival links right up to the RNP. Some of them bend you around in S patterns through mountain valleys and such. Pretty neat.

I'd say 98% of flights in the 175 are AT on for the entire flight. We never have to turn them off for any reason... So most people don't. They work great.
 

sevenhelmet

Low calorie attack from the Heartland
pilot
Interesting to think of this as US Centric. Meanwhile ILS is still the lowest common denominator elsewhere and Karachi Control can barely be understood, let alone use CPDLC. I remain skeptical of ATC upgrades, but hey, it may happen slowly!

Very slowly, and asymmetrically, in my experience. I just ferried an aircraft across India, as part of a larger trip. They're still using carbon paper over there. But, visas were done digitally ahead of time, and when we had an issue with our clearance, I was able to fix it from the cockpit with a quick call on my cell phone.
 

ChuckMK23

FERS and TSP contributor!
pilot
A pair of fantastic videos explaining the dysfunctional mechanics of airline pilot career issues vis a vis union and airline labor relations, the RLA, and NMB.


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taxi1

Well-Known Member
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Was looking at this Air France 787 that had to shut one down. They flew back from north of London all the way to Paris, no doubt overflying some suitable fields. What are the rules on droning along with 1 of 2 running?

Not clear from the article when they shut it down.


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zippy

Freedom!
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Was looking at this Air France 787 that had to shut one down. They flew back from north of London all the way to Paris, no doubt overflying some suitable fields. What are the rules on droning along with 1 of 2 running?

Not clear from the article when they shut it down.


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787s are ETOPS certified for 180-330 minutes operation from suitable diversion airport depending on model. 777s are same.

Just a guess but depending on the malfunction but they probably were prioritizing to get the aircraft to a base with maintenance/customer service support. Coordinating a return depending on altitude could explain the turn and distance to travel to return. Also possible they elected to dump/burn down to a suitable landing weight.
 

FLGUY

“Technique only”
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Was looking at this Air France 787 that had to shut one down. They flew back from north of London all the way to Paris, no doubt overflying some suitable fields. What are the rules on droning along with 1 of 2 running?

Not clear from the article when they shut it down.


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Just gonna leave this here….
 

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taxi1

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787s are ETOPS certified for 180-330 minutes operation from suitable diversion airport depending on model. 777s are same.

Just a guess but depending on the malfunction but they probably were prioritizing to get the aircraft to a base with maintenance/customer service support. Coordinating a return depending on altitude could explain the turn and distance to travel to return. Also possible they elected to dump/burn down to a suitable landing weight.
Oops, I meant to type 777

I had an Airbus lose one while we were trundling from Philly to LA, and when they pulled it to idle we turned and started heading for Denver. When they shut it down, we skipped Denver and landed at the nearer airport of Colorado Springs, even though Denver was just up the road. That's what surprised me about this flight path.

Looking...it actually made the news. The internet remembers...

 

Gatordev

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I assumed they were burning/dumping down, given the box pattern.

I had an Airbus lose one while we were trundling from Philly to LA, and when they pulled it to idle we turned and started heading for Denver. When they shut it down, we skipped Denver and landed at the nearer airport of Colorado Springs, even though Denver was just up the road. That's what surprised me about this flight path.

Looking...it actually made the news. The internet remembers...

If that article were written today, it would say "Allegiant" instead of "U.S. Air." And the engine would have been on fire.
 
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