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Football season cometh.

Which conference will have the National Champion?


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nittany03

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As for expanding the playoff, what’s the point? Teams like Oklahoma prove every year there aren’t more than 2-3 teams actually in the running.
Yeah, but it's college football. There are ~1700 active NFL players at any given time. According to the NCAA, there are ~16,380 draft-eligible college players each year, of which 254 are drafted every year, including everything from the 1st round insta-millionaires to the late-round scrubs fighting to make a roster.

The reason there aren't more than 2-3 teams in the running is because the 4-team playoff has become a forcing function in recruiting whereby the best of the best HS players all fight to go to Clemson, Alabama, Ohio State, or Oklahoma because they know that playing there is their best bet to pad their resume for the next level. It's like any other career you go to college for; the best schools in computer science, engineering, or whatever attract the best students. So do football and basketball. Go figure.

But the fun thing about college football, aside from the community aspect of it, is that the players largely aren't that good yet. Speaking from my alma mater's experience, you can be a Saquon Barkley, a Chris Godwin, a John Urschel, or an Allen Robinson and still make a nice career for yourself in the League. Why? Because we held Ohio State to within one point two years straight, and upset them not too long ago. We came back in 2016 to win a Big Ten championship after James Franklin and his staff finally figured out what they were doing. Sure, we were locked out of the 4-team playoffs that year, mainly because we got stomped by Michigan and lost a squeaker to FUCKING (ahem, sorry) Pitt mainly because we were one step away from putting the freaking waterboy in at linebacker. Upsets in college football are a thing, because only 1.6 percent of them end up in the NFL.

The point is, that's not an uncommon story. There's a few other schools right on the cusp. And every once in awhile, if you expand the playoff to 8 or 12, some of them will upset the usual suspects. That in turn has an effect on recruiting, and spreads the talent around a bit. There are plenty of smooth-tongued college coaches at programs just outside the playoff bubble who can sell a kid on the idea that "we're right on the cusp; you're the missing piece." Or maybe the kid just really liked the school, and the chance of even making the playoffs at #7 is what flips the switch for him and his family.

Point is, give them a couple upsets or a good year or two, and those coaches will peel off some more recruits from the Bama Death Star and Poor Little Ol' Clemson. And that will trickle down, because for every four- or five-star that decides to go to Penn State or Georgia or Florida, another playmaker ends up at a less-heralded school, too. And the playing field evens out instead of being the same damn thing every year.
 

taxi1

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the Bama Death Star and Poor Little Ol' Clemson
The ability for players to move around and not get stuck sitting nth string behind n-1 other players maybe helps too. Backup Joe Burrow at Ohio State winning the Heisman at LSU...

I keep waiting for eventual upheaval to hit, though, from a combination of revenue sharing issue and CTE. Something is going to happen.

We play Ball State next week. My neighbor, trying to offload his tickets, is wiorking on convincing me it is going to be a tough game. I told him I'd take his Auburn tickets.
 

Treetop Flyer

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Yeah, but it's college football. There are ~1700 active NFL players at any given time. According to the NCAA, there are ~16,380 draft-eligible college players each year, of which 254 are drafted every year, including everything from the 1st round insta-millionaires to the late-round scrubs fighting to make a roster.

The reason there aren't more than 2-3 teams in the running is because the 4-team playoff has become a forcing function in recruiting whereby the best of the best HS players all fight to go to Clemson, Alabama, Ohio State, or Oklahoma because they know that playing there is their best bet to pad their resume for the next level. It's like any other career you go to college for; the best schools in computer science, engineering, or whatever attract the best students. So do football and basketball. Go figure.

But the fun thing about college football, aside from the community aspect of it, is that the players largely aren't that good yet. Speaking from my alma mater's experience, you can be a Saquon Barkley, a Chris Godwin, a John Urschel, or an Allen Robinson and still make a nice career for yourself in the League. Why? Because we held Ohio State to within one point two years straight, and upset them not too long ago. We came back in 2016 to win a Big Ten championship after James Franklin and his staff finally figured out what they were doing. Sure, we were locked out of the 4-team playoffs that year, mainly because we got stomped by Michigan and lost a squeaker to FUCKING (ahem, sorry) Pitt mainly because we were one step away from putting the freaking waterboy in at linebacker. Upsets in college football are a thing, because only 1.6 percent of them end up in the NFL.

The point is, that's not an uncommon story. There's a few other schools right on the cusp. And every once in awhile, if you expand the playoff to 8 or 12, some of them will upset the usual suspects. That in turn has an effect on recruiting, and spreads the talent around a bit. There are plenty of smooth-tongued college coaches at programs just outside the playoff bubble who can sell a kid on the idea that "we're right on the cusp; you're the missing piece." Or maybe the kid just really liked the school, and the chance of even making the playoffs at #7 is what flips the switch for him and his family.

Point is, give them a couple upsets or a good year or two, and those coaches will peel off some more recruits from the Bama Death Star and Poor Little Ol' Clemson. And that will trickle down, because for every four- or five-star that decides to go to Penn State or Georgia or Florida, another playmaker ends up at a less-heralded school, too. And the playing field evens out instead of being the same damn thing every year.
I guess I don’t follow how expanding the playoff will help the little guys recruit. Lesser teams can already use that argument within their existing conferences. Plus I have a feeling the NIL situation combined with the existing transfer rules will just make smaller schools farm teams for the big guys. Do well at Directional School State, transfer to Bama/Clemson/Ohio St/etc and get paid.
 

Griz882

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What a week for college ball. Texas got schooled by Arkansas…a rude awakening for them. Ohio State looked confused and the Ducks looked like a team from the old Pac-12. Saban is mad at his kids for not absolutely destroying poor Mercer while OU crushed poor Western Carolina in an SEC-like pursuit of “style points.” Texas A&M got the buffalo chips scared out of them at Colorado, the Big 10 is in trouble, and the coming new Big 12 doesn’t look hopeless.

This is going to be a fun season.
 

Randy Daytona

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What a week for college ball. Texas got schooled by Arkansas…a rude awakening for them. Ohio State looked confused and the Ducks looked like a team from the old Pac-12. Saban is mad at his kids for not absolutely destroying poor Mercer while OU crushed poor Western Carolina in an SEC-like pursuit of “style points.” Texas A&M got the buffalo chips scared out of them at Colorado, the Big 10 is in trouble, and the coming new Big 12 doesn’t look hopeless.

This is going to be a fun season.

Left out was FSU’s loss to Jacksonville State on a 59 yard pass on the last play of the game. I guess it is karma - ever since FSU’s board of directors forced out one of the greatest coaches, and men, of college football in Bobby Bowden they have been on a downhill slide.

On a related note, I am curious to see how Deion Sanders does as a coach - he seems to excel at everything he does so this could get interesting.

 

Griz882

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Left out was FSU’s loss to Jacksonville State on a 59 yard pass on the last play of the game. I guess it is karma - ever since FSU’s board of directors forced out one of the greatest coaches, and men, of college football in Bobby Bowden they have been on a downhill slide.
Trying not to be cruel…I imagine Sanders will do well.
 

Treetop Flyer

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Left out was FSU’s loss to Jacksonville State on a 59 yard pass on the last play of the game. I guess it is karma - ever since FSU’s board of directors forced out one of the greatest coaches, and men, of college football in Bobby Bowden they have been on a downhill slide.

On a related note, I am curious to see how Deion Sanders does as a coach - he seems to excel at everything he does so this could get interesting.

They did win a title after Bowden
 

nittany03

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What a week for college ball. Texas got schooled by Arkansas…a rude awakening for them. Ohio State looked confused and the Ducks looked like a team from the old Pac-12. Saban is mad at his kids for not absolutely destroying poor Mercer while OU crushed poor Western Carolina in an SEC-like pursuit of “style points.” Texas A&M got the buffalo chips scared out of them at Colorado, the Big 10 is in trouble, and the coming new Big 12 doesn’t look hopeless.

This is going to be a fun season.
OK, hold up. The Big Ten is not in trouble. Ohio State is in trouble.

♥️,
Penn State and Iowa
 

taxi1

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OK, hold up. The Big Ten is not in trouble. Ohio State is in trouble.

♥,
Penn State and Iowa
I may have given my wife a fist bump after OSU lost

It's been a weird year, and a weird summer for teams to get their act together. I give everyone a pass for the year, and will just expect the unexpected. glad to hear the roars of the stadiums again.
 

taxi1

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Coaches poll has the Bucks dropping all the way to 11.
Pet peeve...there shouldn't be a poll until week 4 or so. Any "upset" in week 1, for example, is just the voters gooning it up.

Supposedly Penn State upset Wisconsin last week. Uh no.
 

nittany03

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Pet peeve...there shouldn't be a poll until week 4 or so. Any "upset" in week 1, for example, is just the voters gooning it up.

Supposedly Penn State upset Wisconsin last week. Uh no.
But then what would the punditocracy prognosticate about in September?
 
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