CJCS responds to Rep. Gaetz

[nodropinufaka]

Saying he died because of poor leadership in a firefight is uncalled for and compeletely unwarranted. I highly doubt his leaders wanted that outcome to occur and had to make some tough decisions that day. You’re an armchair quarterback and I can tell that regardless of your experience you haven’t had to make a decision in a firefight nor understand the fog and friction of combat. Those who have speak in a very different tone and not as a cavalier or nonchalantly as you do.

Discuss the politics behind it or that controversy by all means, but you weren’t there and don’t understand the mindset and circumstances going through a Infantryman’s mind in that situation. So do everyone a favor and just stop talking. You’re a former corpsman and intel officer. Stay in your lane.

So you know my experiences? got it.

 

[HSMPBR]

Ah you right. I messed that part up.

You use a fallen soldier’s name as a smoke bomb to escape from another string of shitposts and bad arguments, and then dig in, but you own up to misusing autobiography. Amazing.

 

[Hotdogs]

So you know my experiences? got it.

Yes, actually, I do… I know enough from your short resume’ that nothing you have done can compare to an Infantry Officer or NCO making decisions in combat. Fact.

 

[nodropinufaka]

The NFL, the Military, and the Hijacking of Pat Tillman's Story

Donald Trump and his supporters invoked Pat Tillman's death against the current crop of NFL protests. The truth is more complicated than they want it to be.

theintercept.com

Here is the report about the cover up. Read through.

https://archive.defense.gov/home/pdf/Tillman_Redacted_Web_0307.pdf

"Determined Tillman's death was caused by leadership failures and tactical errors"

Why you guys so blinded about it and not willing to accept people messed up and made poor decisions which got him killed. And that decision led to the death of an enlisted member and not an officer?

What is so bad about saying that is what happen. Read the after action. They split the platoon after a truck broke down and lacked a proper communications plan and then it got dark. It falls 100 percent on the officers.

 

[nodropinufaka]

Yes, actually, I do… I know enough from your short resume’ that nothing you have done can compare to an Infantry Officer or NCO making decisions in combat. Fact.

Well you would be wrong. But okay.

 

[nodropinufaka]

You use a fallen soldier’s name as a smoke bomb to escape from another string of shitposts and bad arguments, and then dig in, but you own up to misusing autobiography. Amazing.

It isnt a smoke bomb. He got killed because of poor leadership from the officers. The reports were extremely clear. And then his death got paraded around in a big PR stunt and his CO tried to cover the whole thing up.

 

[Treetop Flyer]

The NFL, the Military, and the Hijacking of Pat Tillman's Story

Donald Trump and his supporters invoked Pat Tillman's death against the current crop of NFL protests. The truth is more complicated than they want it to be.

theintercept.com

Here is the report about the cover up. Read through.

https://archive.defense.gov/home/pdf/Tillman_Redacted_Web_0307.pdf

"Determined Tillman's death was caused by leadership failures and tactical errors"

Why you guys so blinded about it and not willing to accept people messed up and made poor decisions which got him killed. And that decision led to the death of an enlisted member and not an officer?

What is so bad about saying that is what happen. Read the after action. They split the platoon after a truck broke down and lacked a proper communications plan and then it got dark. It falls 100 percent on the officers.

The entire point is that he joined due to patriotism and sense of duty. Your response saying “look how that turned out for him” was a disrespectful deflection due to your continuing inability to defend pretty much any argument.

Also, when there are lots of people telling you to stop being a dipshit, it’s probably not them. It’s you.

 

[Mirage]

I said it a long time ago and I'm more convinced than ever. This dude is a troll who will claim to have any experience that seems convenient to the stupid ass, uninformed point he wants to make. He'll say any half thought out thing that crosses his mind and then defend it until the day he dies no matter what evidence or facts are shown to him.

Don't feed the troll.

 

[RobLyman]

Yes, actually, I do… I know enough from your short resume’ that nothing you have done can compare to an Infantry Officer or NCO making decisions in combat. Fact.

I have a feeling our buddy did little more as a medic than hand out ear pro and condoms in the land of the big PX while in Iraq. I may be wrong, but even though he says he was in Iraq, he says things in a way that suggests he never left the FOB. Even the medics I flew with, as arrogant as they are sometimes, were never as crass.

 

[Hotdogs]

I said it a long time ago and I'm more convinced than ever. This dude is a troll who will claim to have any experience that seems convenient to the stupid ass, uninformed point he wants to make. He'll say any half thought out thing that crosses his mind and then defend it until the day he dies no matter what evidence or facts are shown to him.

Don't feed the troll.

Concur.

Well you would be wrong. But okay.

Looks like we’re done here.

 

[nodropinufaka]

I have a feeling our buddy did little more as a medic than hand out ear pro and condoms in the land of the big PX while in Iraq. I may be wrong, but even though he says he was in Iraq, he says things in a way that suggests he never left the FOB. Even the medics I flew with, as arrogant as they are sometimes, were never as crass.

Well youd be wrong. I pointed out I was on an embedded training team and patrolled 6 days a week in a platoon of Iraqi police.

 

[nodropinufaka]

The entire point is that he joined due to patriotism and sense of duty. Your response saying “look how that turned out for him” was a disrespectful deflection due to your continuing inability to defend pretty much any argument.

Also, when there are lots of people telling you to stop being a dipshit, it’s probably not them. It’s you.

Read the book. He didn't buy into any of that patriotism and sense of duty once he got into the military and realized it was all BS and PR stunt after PR Stunt.

And sadly, it ended up with him dead and to make matters worst the Army used it to play up a sense of duty and patriotism and used it as a PR campaign.

It was so bad- that because he was not religious- the investigating officer couldn't come to terms with it and tried to get out of it. Go read the book and report.

 

[Treetop Flyer]

Read the book. He didn't buy into any of that patriotism and sense of duty once he got into the military and realized it was all BS and PR stunt after PR Stunt.

And sadly, it ended up with him dead and to make matters worst the Army used it to play up a sense of duty and patriotism and used it as a PR campaign.

It was so bad- that because he was not religious- the investigating officer couldn't come to terms with it and tried to get out of it. Go read the book and report.

Once again, literally none of that is relevant.

 

[Hotdogs]

Well youd be wrong. I pointed out I was on an embedded training team and patrolled 6 days a week in a platoon of Iraqi police.

My fucking dentist did a stint on ETT. Now do everyone a favor and stop talking.

 

[SELRES_AMDO]

The comment about Tillman was a bit crass but not exactly wrong.

Admitting that the Army screwed up big time and then used his death as a PR stunt is not untrue. And if you read his Biography then you would probably agree that Tillman would be very unhappy with how it played out.