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CJCS responds to Rep. Gaetz

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Brett327 said:
I don’t know Jones, but I find Coates completely ridiculous. Haven’t read Kendi, so I’ll reserve judgment until I do. That said, I think it’s important to divorce individual voices from the broader cause. I think that’s where a lot of folks get hung up, unfortunately.
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The problem is that these aren’t random individual voices. These are the big names. Kendi is the de facto intellectual leader behind this movement today. It would be like saying we need to divorce “Einstein” from “relativity.” These names are putting out a lot of the garbage, and they have the ability to give it a lot of momentum.
 
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Python1287 said:
The problem is that these aren’t random individual voices. These are the big names. Kendi is the de facto intellectual leader behind this movement today. It would be like saying we need to divorce “Einstein” from “relativity.” These names are putting out a lot of the garbage, and they have the ability to give it a lot of momentum.
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By that logic, the entire conservative movement in this country should be judged by what Alex Jones and the My Pillow guy say.
 
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By that logic, the entire conservative movement in this country should be judged by what Alex Jones and the My Pillow guy say.
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That analogy doesn’t work. Alex Jones is known to be fringe in conservative circles by both the majority of the right and left. Kendi isn’t considered fringe in CRT circles.*

*Kendi is technically a historian. But his work on anti-racism is entirely rooted in CRT.
 
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Python1287 said:
That analogy doesn’t work. Alex Jones is known to be fringe in conservative circles by both the majority of the right and left. Kendi isn’t considered fringe in CRT circles.*

*Kendi is technically a historian. But his work on anti-racism is entirely rooted in CRT.
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CRT isn't the civil rights movement, which has been my point throughout these threads. CRT is the red herring the Right has chosen to focus on.
 
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Mirage said:
That's because the right doesn't have a problem with the civil rights movement. It has a problem with CRT. And it's far from just the right who has a problem with CRT.
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But these two things have just been conflated several times in this thread. The Right uses CRT as a punchline to scare people. The Left does it too with things like climate change hyperbole, but let's see CRT for what it is. Some of you seem content to hang CRT on any race related issue as prima facie refutation in lieu of engaging on the actual argument. When I bring up ideas and practices one can use to enhance empathy and inclusion in one's life, and people chime in with, "Yeah, but CRT... Kendi this, Coates that," it's clear to me that some people aren't ready to talk about race in this country in a constructive manner.
 
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Recent gerrymandering and voting laws don't agree with this statement.
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Gerrymandering is a horrible practice that is done in equal measure by both sides of the aisle. I'm doubtful either side does it for racist reasons, but political ones. If you want to say the right makes a big deal out of nothing with CRT.. might want to look in the mirror before you complain about the recent voting laws.

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But these two things have just been conflated several times in this thread. The Right uses CRT as a punchline to scare people. The Left does it too with things like climate change hyperbole, but let's see CRT for what it is. Some of you seem content to hang CRT on any race related issue as prima facie refutation in lieu of engaging on the actual argument. When I bring up ideas and practices one can use to enhance empathy and inclusion in one's life, and people chime in with, "Yeah, but CRT... Kendi this, Coates that," it's clear to me that some people aren't ready to talk about race in this country in a constructive manner.
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I agree both sides sensationalize things. Climate change is real, but the left exaggerates. We should still realize that climate change is real. Likewise, CRT is real, and the right exaggerates it at times. But we should still realize that CRT is very bad and really being adopted.

I also agreed and 'liked' your ideas for how to move forward constructively. Can't say I've seen anyone who disagreed with those ideas yet.
 
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Mirage said:
Gerrymandering is a horrible practice that is done in equal measure by both sides of the aisle. I'm doubtful either side does it for racist reasons, but political ones. If you want to say the right makes a big deal out of nothing with CRT.. might want to look in the mirror before you complain about the recent voting laws.


I agree both sides sensationalize things. Climate change is real, but the left exaggerates. We should still realize that climate change is real. Likewise, CRT is real, and the right exaggerates it at times. But we should still realize that CRT is very bad and really being adopted.

I also agreed and 'liked' your ideas for how to move forward constructively. Can't say I've seen anyone who disagreed with those ideas yet.
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I think where we differ is the extent to which CRT is actually being adopted. I think it's dumb to hit school aged kids over the head with stuff like this, but at the end of the day, it's pretty silly to think that being exposed to some of the themes in CRT is going to radicalize a bunch of kids. But, when we're talking about the principles of CRT actually being adopted, I.E. creating a legal or policy basis for it, I'm not sure that is happening. Open to hear about examples.
 
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