UFOs?

[jmcquate]

No it won't. There will be no great revelations. Nobody will learn anything of value or significance.

keep reading skipper, I agree with you.

 

[Pags]

What’s your rationale?

Here's the bet:
If it does explicitly prove that UFOs exist we all say you were right. If it doesn't, no one ever posts about UFOs again.

 

[Hair Warrior]

Here's the bet:
If it does explicitly prove that UFOs exist we all say you were right. If it doesn't, no one ever posts about UFOs again.

A UFO is an unidentified flying object. Do you mean something else?

I predict that nothing with come out because Congress will undo the law with a new law before the 180 days runs out.

 

[RoarkJr.]

Entertain this idea:

Not being aware of the current state (in as much is possible) of what’s going on with UAPs is tantamount to deliberate inattention to any other geopolitical development relative to national defense/interest.

When people like Senator Reid say things like “most of the evidence hasn’t seen the light of day”, and swathes of missile controllers are testifying about how their missiles started shutting down during on-site UAP encounters, well, I think that’s deserving of serious attention.

 

[Brett327]

A UFO is an unidentified flying object. Do you mean something else?

I predict that nothing with come out because Congress will undo the law with a new law before the 180 days runs out.

Do you honestly think if the government had been concealing smoking gun evidence of ETs for decades (as is frequently alleged), that some innocuous language in the NDAA would be sufficient to get them to reveal it... in an unclassified report, no less? This NDAA language has zero to do with ETs.

 

[Brett327]

swathes of missile controllers are testifying about how their missiles started shutting down during on-site UAP encounters

Can you provide a link to this claim?

 

[RoarkJr.]

Can you provide a link to this claim?

Ex-Air Force Personnel: UFOs Deactivated Nukes

Say Reports of Unexplained Lights in Sky Near Missile Sites Corresponded With Mysterious Shut-Downs of ICBMs

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Hair Warrior]

Do you honestly think [...] that some innocuous language in the NDAA would be sufficient to get them to reveal it... in an unclassified report, no less? This NDAA language has zero to do with ETs.

Congressional law trumps classification guidance. If something is classified but Congress requires it to be disclosed, it has to be disclosed or else the nondisclosing organization is in violation of the law. This is standard whenever Congress writes or amends a law that conflicts with existing regs/policy. This is likely why the 180 days timer, to allow offices time to declassify/amend anything.

Again, I think Congress will take action before that 180 day timer runs out, to repeal the requirement. I'm not saying that there is or isn't anything to disclose. I'm predicting Congress will go back on the NDAA and reverse that clause in public law, which would not be hard for Congress to do.

 

[Brett327]

Congressional law trumps classification guidance. If something is classified but Congress requires it to be disclosed, it has to be disclosed or else the nondisclosing organization is in violation of the law.

That logic breaks down at the program level, which you probably don't have much experience with. There's lots of unacknowledged stuff that only the gang of eight can access, which is presumably where this stuff would live, and it would definitely fall outside the scope of this NDAA requirement.

 

[Brett327]

Ex-Air Force Personnel: UFOs Deactivated Nukes

Say Reports of Unexplained Lights in Sky Near Missile Sites Corresponded With Mysterious Shut-Downs of ICBMs

www.cbsnews.com

Thanks for the link. That's a pretty tenuous story/claim to be hanging your hat on - particularly without knowing the results of any official investigation conducted at the time. Having a maintenance issue with a group of weapons could be caused by a million things. The fact that some guy "saw strange lights" then attributed the maintenance issue to those lights isn't particularly persuasive. Were there any crop circles found nearby? Those were all the rage as proof of ET, until they weren't and everybody looked foolish in retrospect.

 

[RoarkJr.]

Thanks for the link. That's a pretty tenuous story/claim to be hanging your hat on - particularly without knowing the results of any official investigation conducted at the time. Having a maintenance issue with a group of weapons could be caused by a million things. The fact that some guy "saw strange lights" then attributed the maintenance issue to those lights isn't particularly persuasive. Were there any crop circles found nearby? Those were all the rage as proof of ET, until they weren't and everybody looked foolish in retrospect.

I think it’s the combination of a lot of different things like this, but more so the quality of the witnesses and others shedding light on UAP stuff in general that makes me lean toward “belief.” But at the end of the day there’s not enough immediacy to make any of this worth focusing on for the majority of people, including me.

 

[jmcquate]

Your "belief" Roark, fits nicely with the Sci-Fi fantasy of a galactic government that has to Shepard primitive planets that have discovered how the destroy themselves. At least be original.

 

[Hair Warrior]

I think it’s the combination of a lot of different things like this, but more so the quality of the witnesses and others shedding light on UAP stuff in general that makes me lean toward “belief.” But at the end of the day there’s not enough immediacy to make any of this worth focusing on for the majority of people, including me.

Brett keeps wanting to lure people into stating a belief/disbelief in extraterrestrial life. Ignore that logic trap.

That is a distinct and separate debate from a valid discussion on potential technology that appears to be leaps and bounds beyond present day Earthly technology - and wondering whether that radical technology was invented by mankind (like 100% of inventions to date have been) or if a radical technology was somehow discovered/ recovered/ re-engineered by man.

There is a possibility that mankind has just been super inventive: that we came up a radical new anti-gravity propulsion device on our own, kept it secret, fielded it as a working prototype, and took it out for a spin occasionally. If true, I’d say Salvatore Cezar Pais of NAVAIR is overdue for a couple Nobel prizes in physics.

I think it’s unlikely to say that no such craft exists and it’s all a hoax/disinformation, optical illusion, or innocent vis-recce mistake by a VFA CO and several NAs/NFOs - after which the Pentagon doubled down on the mistake/hoax by publishing FLIR video in a press release.

Might as well give Dr. Pais those Nobel prizes now, bc as Brett has convinced me, there’s zero evidence of extraterrestrial life visiting this planet, so that should be proof enough for the Nobel committee to cut the checks.

 

[Brett327]

I think it’s the combination of a lot of different things like this, but more so the quality of the witnesses and others shedding light on UAP stuff in general that makes me lean toward “belief.” But at the end of the day there’s not enough immediacy to make any of this worth focusing on for the majority of people, including me.

Some USAF JO observed a maintenance issue with his weapon system, then was told by third party security personnel (likely a junior E) about some "strange" lights (which could have been anything). Said JO then draws a conclusion about the nature of the lights and links them to the maintenance issue. When you say "quality of the witness," how have you come to that determination? We don't know anything about the people involved. For all we know, they could have been complete fuck ups. At the end of the day, assigning any credibility whatsoever to these reports is problematic because there is absolutely no evidence to support what is being claimed.

 

[Brett327]

Might as well give Dr. Pais those Nobel prizes now, bc as Brett has convinced me, there’s zero evidence of Extraterrestrial Life visiting this planet, so that should be proof enough for the Nobel committee to cut the checks.

There is also zero tangible evidence that any kind of advanced human technology is involved either. Again, this is your assumption due to your beliefs based on people's stories, inconclusive FLIR and radar tapes. The only factual aspect of any of this is that people saw something they can't explain. Full stop.