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WWII history and tactics

squorch2

he will die without safety brief
pilot
Civilian (non-CAC holder) entry: 5 day lead time, SSNs required. Not a small hurdle, but not awful either.

There is (or was) a plan afoot to move the museum off the Navy Yard, but that was a while ago, and considering I haven't heard anything about a capital campaign kickoff, it's possibly DIW, which is sad.
 

Flash

SEVAL/ECMO
None
Super Moderator
Contributor
Civilian (non-CAC holder) entry: 5 day lead time, SSNs required. Not a small hurdle, but not awful either.

There is (or was) a plan afoot to move the museum off the Navy Yard, but that was a while ago, and considering I haven't heard anything about a capital campaign kickoff, it's possibly DIW, which is sad.
For 95% of the folks who would go to a museum that would be unreasonable. They really need to move it off base or to somewhere the public can access easily like the Naval Aviation Museum.
 

jmcquate

Well-Known Member
Contributor
Before the shootings (I was there the weekend before) all that was needed to get on base on weekends was a drivers license and the place was still empty. With the development of the riverfront with all of its public spaces and walkways, the Navy should provide a secure entry way from the river side. People are already draw to the USS Barry
 

Randy Daytona

Cold War Relic
pilot
Super Moderator
She was in Measure 21 by Tokyo Bay . View attachment 15971
However, under MS21 horizontal surfaces were still painted Deck Grey. And this color pic of the surrender, provided it's an actual contemporary color photo, shows deck grey on the decks. So looks like you're correct about the deck color being inaccurate.
View attachment 15972
Saw this and thought it might help.

 

rotorhead1871

UH-1N.....NAS Agana, Guam....circa 1975
pilot
I don't completely agree...timing was a huge reason the Japanese carriers wound up on the bottom. It did turn out that dive-bombing was a much more effective tactic than low-level, but if the Japanese CAP had been up at altitude when the dive-bombers arrived over target, the battle wouldn't have been nearly the success it was. But I feel like you're hand-waving away the failure of the TBDs and TBFs as 'poor kit' when that's only part of the story. It was a combination of aircraft, training and tactics that were developed to do a specific mission - low level torpedo attacks on capital ships - that turned out to be shit when things got real. They were doing their mission, as they'd been trained to do it, with planes that were purpose-built for the role, and it turned out to be completely ineffective in a real war.

Which brings us back around (I think?) to the original topic - tactics being developed in a vacuum. We can train guys to perfection that we're going to fight our helos by leaning out the back with polo mallets, but without using combat experience, or failing that, realistic and brutally honest evaluation, to judge those tactics, we're just signing up to lose people and airplanes. All the aggression and training in the professionalism in the world isn't going to mean a damn thing.

warfighting is a protracted use of force to victory, to be victorious several facets must be present, state of the art performance of systems and machines, operated by highly trained and motivated soldiers is the front line, a fat supply line full of materials and supplies, but inspired LEADERSHIP and the ability to successfully counterattack repeatedly is a far more devastating feature. completely understanding your opponents strengths and weaknesses is also of paramount need. with these features in place, and the ability of the industrial complex to supply the premier weapons in unlimited quantities will round out the picture...never give the enemy a chance to catch a breath...be offensive, all the time, cover every base.

dont get overconfident, dont get hubristic, unify the focus and bring home the victory....can we do it ALL?? I sure hope so. I hope we dont have to, but we need the biggest stick for sure.
 

Randy Daytona

Cold War Relic
pilot
Super Moderator
Speaking of World War II, someone on Youtube just posted videos from a fantastic TV show in the 1970's called "World War II, GI Diary" narrated by Lloyd Bridges. I've been looking for these videos for years - in particular the Air Force raid on Ploesti. Watching B-24 heavy bombers coming in at treetop level over an exploding oil refineries is incredible.

Here are links to a few episodes.
Midway

Target Tokyo

Iwo Jima

These videos have all vanished - and I have looked everywhere for the original TV series: World War II: GI Diary (1978, narrated by Lloyd Bridges). I have tried Google and Bing, Amazon and Ebay, Time-Life and Turner Classic Movies - all to no avail. Would really like to get these 25 episodes on Blu-Ray, DVD, even VHS but can not seem to find them anywhere. Can anyone think of any other sources? Here is the only example I can find online: (For some reason, the title in the 8mm says "Soldier's Diary, not GI Diary"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077105/

http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/world-war-ii-gi-diary/episodes/205613/

 
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