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Speeding Ticket Protocol After Commissioning

Flying Low

Yea sure or Yes Sir?
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Need to check your command policy. My fleet squadron had a policy that if anyone went to court then there had to be a command rep there also. With anything over 80 or 20 over the limit equaling reckless driving there was always someone needing to go to court. Even though there was a command rep, the command didn't really care as long as you didn't become a repeat defender.
 

picklesuit

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I'm convinced that there are foreign studs who are good to go, ones who really have language trouble, and ones who skate by by becoming pros at the don't-a speak-a da eenglish game.


We had a guy from Qatar in primary up in the 'Nid, he had a gorgeous Corvette. He got pulled over several timed doing 135 on 81, but apparently he had diplomatic immunity (so he said) because his mom was some sort of ambassador. He got all sorts of tickets, and just didn't care...dude spoke better english than me (went to the Zoo)
 

BACONATOR

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I got a ticket in Corpus, and it was really a non-issue. Perhaps I should have told my fight leader, but I didn't even think to at the time. I paid it, and moved on. It's called being responsible. I mean we ARE officers after all. I don't think we need permission to piss, do we?

Stay away from the cops in Junction, Texas.

Nuff' said.

I read the same warning about Junction, TX from a Navy flight school gouge website too! I was sure to drive THE speed limit going through that podunk shit-town.

As for motorcycles, it seemed at the time in northern (rural) Arizona that cops tended to like motorcycle riders. I passed many a cop doing more than a few over the limit and never got pulled over. Same deal in a car and I got pulled over. Weird.
 

Harrier Dude

Living the dream
When I was an IP at the RAG, we had a stud (stellar officer, solid pilot, and all around good guy) who got busted going somewhere around 127 in a 65 on his motorcycle. He didn't say anything to the squadron about it.

In the PRCP (People's Republic of Cherry Point), PMO regularly collects blotter entries on servicemembers from surrounding police/sheriff departments and distributes them to the base commands.

When the MAG CO found out about it, he nearly had a stroke. The officer was immediately removed from training, given an adverse fitness report, and reassigned to MAG. They were even going to FFPB him for it. On what grounds? I don't know. It's the PRCP. They don't need a reason. Just a place.

The main reason that he was in trouble was for "lying by omission" to the command. He was eventually returned to training, but only after a great deal of redass. Things did not work out well for him in the long run.

This is probably an aberration based on the other stories posted here, but you never know. When I was a 1stLt I would have probably done the same thing (i.e. nothing). But that was before the information age and the zero defect mentality came along.

I would recommend that you:

1) Don't speed.
2) If you do, don't get caught.
3) If you get caught, tell your CoC as soon as reasonably possible starting at your immediate supervisor. Get advice from him on how to proceed.

YMMV.
 

Twitterpate03

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I read the same warning about Junction, TX from a Navy flight school gouge website too! I was sure to drive THE speed limit going through that podunk shit-town.
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Nowhere will EVER compare to Emporia, VA though.....I know people who have gotten tix for doing 4mph over the speed limit of 45.

It is ridiculous through there!!!
 

Uncle Fester

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Nowhere will EVER compare to Emporia, VA though...

True. Emporia doesn't even bother to pretend; they say outright that it's a money-maker for the town, but they're enforcing the laws and if you don't like it, tough. The town sits at the intersection of VA-58 (the main E-W route along southern Virginia) and I-95, so they get a lot of business. All the town's police get generous overtime for sitting traffic duty in addition to their regular duties - even the chief of police takes his turn with the radar gun.

That being said, even AAA won't classify it as a "speed trap," because they don't do any of the dity tricks that they use for speed trap criteria - e.g., big change in the speed limit and hide the sign behind a tree, etc.

I just set the cruise for a couple MPH below the speed limit until I was on the other side of the city limits. Not worth arguing with someone who's out there with the explicit purpose of writing traffic tickets.
 

rare21

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Georgia?:icon_rage I had a cop give me a ticket in Brunswick (95 North) several years back, yes I was speeding (like 15 over), no it was not still June 30th at 2330. He wrote the ticket for the previous calendar day while it was actually July 1 and I had a receipt from a gas station proving I was still in Jacksonville at 2332.:icon_rage:icon_rage:icon_rage

so did you win ? i would hate losing in traffic court (hasnt happened yet but it probably will) but i still get overtime either way. I dont write secret messages on my tickets or put notes on the back. By your attitude i'll know if i'll be seeing you in a front of a judge and by God its your right to do so. Still you gotta really be messing up to get a ticket from me i'm just a nice guy.
 

picklesuit

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so did you win ? i would hate losing in traffic court (hasnt happened yet but it probably will) but i still get overtime either way. I dont write secret messages on my tickets or put notes on the back. By your attitude i'll know if i'll be seeing you in a front of a judge and by God its your right to do so. Still you gotta really be messing up to get a ticket from me i'm just a nice guy.

So my wife got a ticket in OK, and the State Trooper put the wrong birthdate on the ticket. Could she have gotten off? What reasons do people usually get off of a ticket for (what's the secret:D)
 

Gatordev

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sea story...advice....

Another thing to keep in mind is that the TRACOM gets a bit more ramped up than the fleet may. I know there was a rash of stupid speeding a few months ago (including a couple of IPs) at Wing 5. Whether the offenses were legit or not, in the end, it didn't really matter, as it brought attention on them.

I always told my onwing to tell me about stuff like that, even if it was a speeding ticket. If it wasn't a big deal, I at least knew the info. If it was something that might come back and bite him, then at least he's owned up to it and I can try and help, and move on to more important things like training. Just my technique.
 

rare21

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So my wife got a ticket in OK, and the State Trooper put the wrong birthdate on the ticket. Could she have gotten off? What reasons do people usually get off of a ticket for (what's the secret:D)

most of the time they wont get off with something trivial like that. like i've said when i've gone to court i've never lost (except one criminal family violence case and the victim was recanting her story and i had a jury full of guys) so i cant tell you much of a secret there. I believe it has to be grossly wrong such as a huge mistake on our part which has happened. i know one officer that was new and thought the speed limit in one part of the street was 30 when in fact it was 40. So in essence he wrote her for 1 mile over and it was thrown out. that lady had pictures and everything in her favor. we had some hardasses ticketing for no front license plate...unfortunately some of our units didnt have front plates either because they would fall off or get ripped off by our "automatic, slow as hell, security gates". A lady went by the station and took pictures of all the cars that didnt have front plates and took it to the judge to show how hippocritical it was..he threw the ticket out which i agree with. little things like physical details, etc will most likely not get it thrown out, now if they put a whole different name, the wrong block number where the speed limit is different, or an intersection where there was no stoplight when you got a ticket for running a stoplight will most certainly help your case. and it has happened. The thing i would recommend is unless you're 100% right and have proof just pay the darned thing.
 

jt71582

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Nowhere will EVER compare to Emporia, VA though.....I know people who have gotten tix for doing 4mph over the speed limit of 45.

It is ridiculous through there!!!

Wow, I didn't know it was that big of a speed trap. I got nailed there a few years ago when I went to VT. Thankfully they dropped it when I showed up in my VTCC uniform and the judge was a former cadet :D.
 

FLYTPAY

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so did you win ? i would hate losing in traffic court (hasnt happened yet but it probably will) but i still get overtime either way. I dont write secret messages on my tickets or put notes on the back. By your attitude i'll know if i'll be seeing you in a front of a judge and by God its your right to do so. Still you gotta really be messing up to get a ticket from me i'm just a nice guy.
I was deploying and the court date was right at the beginning of deployment. I decided to just do traffic school because of the logistics involved in moving the court date, the traveling to Bunswick,and the chance of them not throwing it out on a technicality.
 

bb1125

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It was dumb luck I got him, but there had been a pattern of ticketing by the Jax Sheriff around that time to pad their revenues by writing tickets like that. For a while, if your ticket fit that pattern you had a good chance of getting it reduced to what you admitted to, or just dropped.

Let me guess, that was when Nat Glover was sheriff? There were certainly a lot of corrupt cops working for JSO during his tenure.
 

Python

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I got a 100+ MPH ticket. My CO could have cared less.

The MO, however did care that he lost me for a day of FCF when I was in court fighting the ticket. Shit happens. I won.

Agreed, got one for 110...told to slow down.

I haven't gotten one since and won't do it again.

I don't know how you won though. That must've been an amazing argument in court.
 
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