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Leaving Vietnam vs AFG
- Thread starter jmcquate
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It absolutely is possible. I don't believe it is "just as likely", as in the same probability. No. We lost days at the outset. Then we had days where the aircraft load factor was crazy low given the demand. Much smoother now, yes. But count the planes and the lift per plane and the number of days left. It is hard to imagine they are going to get all the Americans out, especially those outside Kabul, AND the SIVs. I hope I am wrong.
You mean surface access? What is your point? The fact the Taliban has us by the short hairs is accepted. How we react, in the interests of American civilian lives, is the question.
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I wouldn’t bet on Pakistan siding with the US over a Taliban-led Afghanistan in the long term. There’s a good reason we didn’t tell Pakistan about Abottabad before the raid. And then Pakistan gave our helo wreckage to China.
I'm sure this was all part of the plan.
'Never underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up' -President Obama
He was right that it wouldn’t be another Saigon. This is way more embarrassing and pathetic.
How many Americans and SIVs remain in country?
The PBS series, The American Experience, has an excellent documentary about the final days of Saigon. It provides some good perspective vis a vis the AFG vs Vietnam debate.
Last Days in Vietnam | American Experience | PBS
April, 1975. During the chaotic final days of the American involvement in the Vietnam War, those in control faced an impossible decision—who would go and who would be left behind to face brutality, imprisonment, or even death.
www.pbs.org
If you can answer that accurately, you’ve got one up on the power of the entire DOD and DOS working together(ish)
The only way we will know how many are left is when the Taliban tells us how many they have in custody after August 31st. When you can't say how many people you have to take out, when you are not in communication with all that have to leave and you set an arbitrary date for stopping the evacuation, only chance will determine whether we get everyone out.
My point being, you don’t know the answer to that question, so pontificating about whether or not we have the capacity to airlift that number of people out in 7 days is not particularly useful. It’s just uninformed speculation.
Or an opinion based on all the open source information available to me. I admitted it was possible we get everyone out. In my opinion it is unlikely. It is shared by people smarter and better informed than me. Useful? No less than the conflicting statements we have gotten from the government.
Are you prepared to go on the record that everyone will get out by August 31st? I don't think you were ever involved in any operational planning that did not have metrics that defined mission completion. An arbitrary date hardly qualifies especially since it was set before the mission unfolded.
Are you prepared to go on the record that everyone will get out by August 31st? I don't think you were ever involved in any operational planning that did not have metrics that defined mission completion. An arbitrary date hardly qualifies especially since it was set before the mission unfolded.
