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First flight of the P-8A Poseidon and all things related to transition
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Words like, Yarrr will be part of the official vernacular and eye patches will be part of the uniform.
I am not about ignoring ASW. I will say that it has been unfortunate that the helo community -- HS especially, has ditched ASW for "sexier" missions. With the creation of the ASW command and focussing each helo community on separate primary missions, we can hopefully reverse the trend. I hold no perceptions that the Firescout could be an ASW platform. I do believe that the -60R, will provide an excellent platform, that will add significantly to a combined arms approach to killing as many subs as a country can churn out. However, I would be all for the Firescout if my mission was to VID surface contacts that may have a significant defensive weapons suite. That way I would have to spend the minimum time in someone's WEZ.
UAVs are just another tool for the tool box -- in certain instances, they can do the same job for less risk.
Concur on UAVs. You have to admit that helo and MMA based ASW are worlds apart. Let's face it, LAMPS is little more than a reactive, limited capability localization and torpedo platform dangling out on the end of the HAWK Link. Real blue-water ASW requires MMA style capabilities.
Brett
Stubby
Ask the Chief
As an MPA AW, I'd be the first to say that two competent HS Dippers on a sub will not lose contact.... That being said, the Dippers have to get there first. That means an Aircraft Carrier with it's associated airwing, all it's escort ships and support personnel.
How do we calculate this cost analysis?
I'd say a P-3/P-8 could do the job much cheaper, with longer on station time and more armament..... in fact, who needs HS anyway?
---- Obviously, I'm kidding. ----
I do believe that UAV's are another tool for the tool box, and one day we may all be replaced by R2D2. The issue now however, is how do we best perform the mission?
I'm not saying UAV is waste of money. I’m just saying you’re wrong to think that MPA is a waste of money.
UAV's can do (part of)the job cheaper, MPA can do it better. MPA performs many missions all over the world. Overland is just one of those missions, but as long as we have the aircraft in theater, able to perform the mission well, why would you refrain from using it?
UAV has an important job to do.... but that job is not to replace the MPA community.
MPA - The right tool for the right job.
How do we calculate this cost analysis?
I'd say a P-3/P-8 could do the job much cheaper, with longer on station time and more armament..... in fact, who needs HS anyway?
---- Obviously, I'm kidding. ----
I do believe that UAV's are another tool for the tool box, and one day we may all be replaced by R2D2. The issue now however, is how do we best perform the mission?
I'm not saying UAV is waste of money. I’m just saying you’re wrong to think that MPA is a waste of money.
UAV's can do (part of)the job cheaper, MPA can do it better. MPA performs many missions all over the world. Overland is just one of those missions, but as long as we have the aircraft in theater, able to perform the mission well, why would you refrain from using it?
UAV has an important job to do.... but that job is not to replace the MPA community.
MPA - The right tool for the right job.
MasterBates
Well-Known Member
Brett is right. Contrary to whatever most JO SWOs think, we are a localization and attack platform for ASW. Not enought capacity for dedicated search.
We normally need a "Trigger Sensor" (P3 or Ship Accoustics) to go get them.
Limted area search is about all we can do, and we run out of bouys quick.
25 MAX, and often less due to weight constraints. 15 if the left wing is installed.
What we are good for is someone that can deal with a sub while waiting for the MPA crew to sleep off their hangover, take thier hollywood shower, drive to the airport, and launch.
We normally need a "Trigger Sensor" (P3 or Ship Accoustics) to go get them.
Limted area search is about all we can do, and we run out of bouys quick.
25 MAX, and often less due to weight constraints. 15 if the left wing is installed.
What we are good for is someone that can deal with a sub while waiting for the MPA crew to sleep off their hangover, take thier hollywood shower, drive to the airport, and launch.
Stubby
Ask the Chief
Launch the Ready!
And believe me..... We do appreciate it!!
What we are good for is someone that can deal with a sub while waiting for the MPA crew to sleep off their hangover, take thier hollywood shower, drive to the airport, and launch.
And believe me..... We do appreciate it!!
Hate to disagree with you Brett but...Real blue-water ASW requires another submarine.
As a dolphin wearer, I am in 100% agreement that air assets make certain aspects of our operations much more difficult. However, while air is very good at missions like area denial and protecting particular assets in restricted waters...From my experience, you can't hunt submarines in big water without another submarine.
No offense meant to any ASW types...
Let the flames begin...
EDIT: By the way...there is nothing more difficult in the submarine world than getting away from a pair of dipping sonars once they get ya...Helos give submariners fits in certain mission profiles.
I won't argue with that, but we're not talking about replacing fast attack subs with the Predator here.
In practice, however, while another sub may be the best platform, it's certainly not required for blue-water ASW. Most of our cuing during the cold war was from SOSUS, not a blue sub.Brett
True enough...
Part of my response also comes from my experience. Although I am a bubblehead I had two odd experiences. I was a Trident guy and then did some time on Parche...so...I basically hid...first in deep water and then...well and then...:icon_wink
Good point with the type of asset point. Obviously I'm in a very nuc-boat centered world.
From what? Manning section tracking after you got off watch running the throttles?
That's alright, I was driving the boat, and then on sparkle team on off section... Sorry, couldn't resist!
In other words, you have no clue what you're talking about and should have kept your cake-hole shut. (I keed, I keed)
Brett