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Colombian Prostitutes - Good Times or Career Enders?

MasterBates

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Penicillin Cut Off Date.

Last date a doc can cure you of any "normal" STDs, save Herpes and have you symptom/infection/carrier free by RTHP.
 

bert

Enjoying the real world
pilot
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Do they keep them available while underway? There was a big argument about that on my boat tour - a couple senior officers wanted to not have them available because they thought it looked like we were condoning sex on the boat. I was on the other side of that argument, they were going to be having sex so any pregnancies prevented would be a bonus.
 

BigIron

Remotely piloted
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Do they keep them available while underway? There was a big argument about that on my boat tour - a couple senior officers wanted to not have them available because they thought it looked like we were condoning sex on the boat. I was on the other side of that argument, they were going to be having sex so any pregnancies prevented would be a bonus.
We had them on my cruise back in 08-09 on the CVN. IIRC, we had a box in our shop for folks to use for port visits. People are people and if that's what they are going to do on libbo, then that's what they are going to do. We had a very clear policy of no courtship on the warship. Those found in violation of that policy (and there were some) were subject to UCMJ and possible brig time.
 

insanebikerboy

Internet killed the television star
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Do they keep them available while underway? There was a big argument about that on my boat tour - a couple senior officers wanted to not have them available because they thought it looked like we were condoning sex on the boat. I was on the other side of that argument, they were going to be having sex so any pregnancies prevented would be a bonus.

They did on cruise last year, in medical right at the appointment check-in desk. I had to do my flight physical while underway and I was talking to the corpsman about it. They apparently had a helluva time keeping them in stock and they even went as far as to stock the "flavored" variety.
 

Brett327

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If not having someone hand you condoms is the litmus test for PC than we're guilty as charged.
This was the point I was making earlier. Terms like PC, yes man, elitist and socialist are knee-jerk responses to things people don't like but don't take the time to understand enough to use a more precise term (or come up with a good argument that doesn't involve personal attacks). If everything is PC, the term is meaningless and then nothing is PC.
 

squorch2

he will die without safety brief
pilot
Along those same lines, a few weeks ago Gingrich accused Fox News of having "liberal bias" when they didn't give his campaign favorable coverage. The reality is for more complex, and to reduce it to "liberal bias" both makes the term worthless and shuts down any debate.
 

HAL Pilot

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Penicillin Cut Off Date.

Last date a doc can cure you of any "normal" STDs, save Herpes and have you symptom/infection/carrier free by RTHP.
You know the "P" is not for penicillin.

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HAL Pilot

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Weird. I had a doc use it as the "if you come see me after this date, I can't cure you before you get home"
That's the idea of the PCOD.

When we first got women in the squadron my second deployment, one of them complained during a safety standdown that PCOD was sexist. The Doc's response: "Why do you say that? The P can either mean pussy or prick. I can cure both men and women. Nothing sexist about that."
 

pilot_man

Ex-Rhino driver
pilot
This was the point I was making earlier. Terms like PC, yes man, elitist and socialist are knee-jerk responses to things people don't like but don't take the time to understand enough to use a more precise term (or come up with a good argument that doesn't involve personal attacks). If everything is PC, the term is meaningless and then nothing is PC.

Kind of like telling someone they should go smoke some weed in Cali since it's legal there.

This whole thing stinks to me. I'm not arguing that what these guys did was wrong, according to the laws that are there. I just don't like the fact that the laws are there in the first place. If something is legal in a State, Country..., then why do we feel that we need to tell a bunch of adults how to behave on their spare time? The only reason that there can be is because you want to impose your morals on others. The hypocrisy around here really gets under my skin. The cover your ass mentality is just poor leadership, and it sucks for morale.
 

Recovering LSO

Suck Less
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Kind of like telling someone they should go smoke some weed in Cali since it's legal there.

This whole thing stinks to me. I'm not arguing that what these guys did was wrong, according to the laws that are there. I just don't like the fact that the laws are there in the first place. If something is legal in a State, Country..., then why do we feel that we need to tell a bunch of adults how to behave on their spare time? The only reason that there can be is because you want to impose your morals on others. The hypocrisy around here really gets under my skin. The cover your ass mentality is just poor leadership, and it sucks for morale.

Massive over generalization and not really the case. DoD, whether you agree with it or not, has decided that trafficking in people is something they're going to care about and prostitution, according to THEIR definition, is considered trafficking in people. This is not rocket science dude. The DoD has a policy and this behavior runs counter to it.

From the super awesome trafficking in persons training I [you..?]recently had to complete:

"DOD has a zero tolerance policy for prostitution. Evidence shows that prostitution is inherently harmful and dehumanizing, and fuels trafficking in persons, a form of modern day slavery."

A little bit of homework shows that VietNam is in the "no limit" category if you look up DUI laws by country. Since it's no big deal in VietNam does that mean that US service members should be cleared weird if they find themselves there? Or is that imposing morals on others as well?

Call it what you want, defend prostitution all you want - the fact of the matter is that DoD has a well articulated policy and like many others - you might like it, but you've got to obey it.
 

Brett327

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Kind of like telling someone they should go smoke some weed in Cali since it's legal there.
Correct me if I'm misinterpreting your post, but it sounds to me like you think military members should be able to smoke pot if they live in CA. I'm no moralist, so the concept of prostitution doesn't bother me as long as the situation is completely consentual (I.E. no sex slavery or other associated violent crime). That said, it's pretty much always been illegal in this country and we all know that going in when we join the service, so we really don't have any ground to stand on by objecting to people being prosecuted for it. If you don't like the law, then vote for socially progressive politicians. Same thing with the gays. I could care less if two guys want to have sex, but until recently, it was illegal to do so in the military. Everyone who was gay that joined the service before DADT was repealed didn't have a leg to stand on by complaining about the policy. They knew it going in and they volunteered anyway.

As for hypocrisy, that term gets thrown around a lot. Do you really think the leadership is thinking, "Well, I got mine...Fuck 'em." I don't think there are any statistics on the numbers of officers "back in the day" who used prostitutes, but I don't think it's fair to assume that everyone O6 and above did. The leadership isn't responsible for society's changing attitudes. Blame Bill Clinton and Patty Schroeder if you must, but you can't really hold the guys with stars on their collars responsible for that, then cry hypocrisy.

I hear your frustration and share it. The only practical thing you can do is not vote for the bible-thumpers and moral crusaders who insist on imposing archaic ideas on the masses.
 

jmcquate

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The protective service of the Secret Servive (a very small part of the Secret Servive) has been cultivating a Boy Scout image for quite some time. I dought this is the first time something like this has happened, but these jackasses got caught . Granted, they where the advanced JV team...but come on. It's not a PC issue, they screwed the pootch. It's an Executive Branch detail. Thier actons are political wether they like it or not.
 

pilot_man

Ex-Rhino driver
pilot
Correct me if I'm misinterpreting your post, but it sounds to me like you think military members should be able to smoke pot if they live in CA. I'm no moralist, so the concept of prostitution doesn't bother me as long as the situation is completely consentual (I.E. no sex slavery or other associated violent crime). That said, it's pretty much always been illegal in this country and we all know that going in when we join the service, so we really don't have any ground to stand on by objecting to people being prosecuted for it. If you don't like the law, then vote for socially progressive politicians. Same thing with the gays. I could care less if two guys want to have sex, but until recently, it was illegal to do so in the military. Everyone who was gay that joined the service before DADT was repealed didn't have a leg to stand on by complaining about the policy. They knew it going in and they volunteered anyway.

As for hypocrisy, that term gets thrown around a lot. Do you really think the leadership is thinking, "Well, I got mine...Fuck 'em." I don't think there are any statistics on the numbers of officers "back in the day" who used prostitutes, but I don't think it's fair to assume that everyone O6 and above did. The leadership isn't responsible for society's changing attitudes. Blame Bill Clinton and Patty Schroeder if you must, but you can't really hold the guys with stars on their collars responsible for that, then cry hypocrisy.

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No Brett, that comment was about a former post where I was told that I should go to Cali and smoke it up since it's legal there. Marijuana is federally illegal, so I have no issues with that being a no-no in the military as well. What I don't like is that prostitution's legality is determined by the states. If it is legal in one state (Nevada), then why tell services members that they can't do a perfectly legal thing?

As far as the hypocrisy goes, we apparently are very concerned about traficking in persons. because prostitution is "inherently harmful....."
"DOD has a zero tolerance policy for prostitution. Evidence shows that prostitution is inherently harmful and dehumanizing, and fuels trafficking in persons, a form of modern day slavery."

Yet, there are several things that we turn a blind eye to, even though they to are inherently harmful. Lets look at alcohol for instance. Now let me start by saying that I DO NOT want you to tell me that I can't go have a drink or 7 if I want to. But I am saying that it is hypocritical of someone, or DOD to say that they are worried about things that are inherently harmful and then tell me that it's OK to drink. Since we are so worried around here about what is good for the Navy at large, and not persons rights, then we have to look at what the consequences of allowing any consumption of alcohol does for the organization. Just think about the lives and costs that would be saved by outlawing drinking. As you have probably recently seen, since we all did that training as well, 70 something percent of Navy sexual assaults are committed with alcohol being consumed by both parties. We could greatly reduce the number of sexual assults, DUIs, and all ARIs by telling our service members that they can no longer do a perfectly legal thing. Simply because that is what's best for big Navy.
I won't even start on tobacco and the costs associated with that. It is hypocritical for leadership to pick and choose what they feel is right. If it's legal for civilians, then it should be legal for all.

Yes RLSO, I know what the policy is and will not break that policy. I have no desire, or need to ever visit a brothel, or whore house or street corner in the shady part of town. I don't have to like the policy though. I will abide by it as I do with all other policies and instructions, but I don't feel it's right to tell people how to live their lives.
 
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