If it isn't incriminating anybody, what's the story behind that?
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C vs. E/F
- Thread starter Chubby
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This just sounds suspect to me. You mean out of a 180 day cruise (or however long it was), no jets broke except for 4 days? A true testament to your maintainers...or creative accounting.
MasterBates
Well-Known Member
I have seen those PMC rates in HSL with creative accounting. 1 det had similar FMC rates, but they were really creative on their determination of what was FMC...
Ditto. I'm sure APW time isn't factored into that either. You can cook the numbers to look any way you want - I've done it myself.
Brett
One VP squadron was consistently reporting 9 FMC birds for a whole deployment when I was in VQ-1 and no one who knew any better believed them. Turns out they were reporting birds with bare firewalls FMC, unfortunately I don't think anyone ever paid for that sin......
Doesn't mean they didn't didn't break, just means they had them fixed before next daily tally of FMC status before report went out. Not to say that either squadron or CAG decided to be creative. These reports get sent all the way to DC and figure prominently in FITREPs.
bolterking
Member
Suspect? No we did have some miracle workers in Maintenance. We got the Estocin/Battle E because of them, and really if you ask me, only them. Let's admit, that was one of the selling points of the hornet. Ease of maintenance...engine change in less than one hour. Hornet is easy to work on compared to the old workhorses of the past...F14, F4, A7 (and no that is not to interpreted in any bad way). That was on of the main selling points in decision of going with hornet.
Creative accounting? Yes i will admit this does happen more often then it should...Lot21's and the last four that rolled off the production line in fact. Also it's all about grooming the jets. Good gripes etc. When we swaped jets from 15 to 21's, those 21's were not in the greates of shape either. We weren't even close to FMC rate we had by time we cruised. So my opinion is it is totally dependant on the maintenance crew. Those kids work their a**es off for benefit of us and they don't get the appreciation they should.
bolterking
Member
We had a Prowler squadron have issues calling some jet not even capable of flying off as FMC...gripes getting thrown away, sign off's that never happend etc, all because of the pressure from above. If you ask me, the CO and MO were spineless in saying NO to CAG. Cost them an ejection and loss of aircraft...lucky no loss of life. Tough situation though to tell your boss NO. True test of ones moral character and glad i was not in that situation. Everyone says they blow the whistle but unless you are in that situation...no saying what one would do.
bolterking
Member
If it isn't incriminating anybody, what's the story behind that?
We were at Fallon as the TOP GUN class was just finishing up their BFM syllabus. Few of the students were talking at the club how they came to a merge with the T45 and I guess one of them got there "butt" handed to him as the T45 was tracking. True? I don't know, but that was the talk at the O'Club.
bolterking
Member
Brett,
2001. Was interesting time. I felt sorry for them but they were under so much pressure from above.
bolterking
Member
UInavy said:
True indeed. Never under estimate your opponent because of the airframe.
bolterking
Member
NICE....
Brett