AF recruiting video pulled...AF recruits in better shape than most marines?

[vick]

Vick - you know what I'm talking about.

Funny you should mention that Horny. Just a few days ago Ghandi was arrested by the ass clowns. He was airboss and led the jet "across the red". Unfortunately he had pulled a few plane lengths ahead of the jet to make sure some stuff was clear, but despite the blue car with flashing lights and a U-2 rolling in right behind him, they perceived him to be a threat - so as the OG rolls up to shut down he sees Ghandi getting cuffed with yet more SF vehicles rolling in to assist with the situation. I've just about had it with these fxck sticks. :icon_rage

 

[sodajones]

Seriously? Similar to to what? Is that entrance requirements or sustainment? Would be a shock to me because those guys are definitely not typical AF.

I don't know, I just read that it was their fitness test. I'm sure their actual indoc and sustainment is extensive.

 

[Gatordev]

Funny you should mention that Horny. Just a few days ago Ghandi was arrested by the ass clowns. He was airboss and led the jet "across the red". Unfortunately he had pulled a few plane lengths ahead of the jet to make sure some stuff was clear, but despite the blue car with flashing lights and a U-2 rolling in right behind him, they perceived him to be a threat - so as the OG rolls up to shut down he sees Ghandi getting cuffed with yet more SF vehicles rolling in to assist with the situation. I've just about had it with these fxck sticks. :icon_rage

I know these guys are armed and the scary red line has a legend all it's own, but why does anyone actually follow these guys' directions? My perception is that if that happened on a Navy base, the "interloper" would give a quick and concise "F-you...get the hell out of my way I'm in the middle of something!" and keep driving. If it happened on a Marine Base, there would probably be more sirs thrown around and everyone would have high speed haircuts.

Or maybe not. But I'm pretty sure about the Navy part.

 

[busdriver]

I don't know, I just read that it was their fitness test. I'm sure their actual indoc and sustainment is extensive.

Go here to read what the PAST standards are, this is what the guys need to be capable of for entry into the pipeline.

Operationally, I think they test IAW the Army's SOCOM test, but don't quote me on that.

 

[vick]

I know these guys are armed and the scary red line has a legend all it's own, but why does anyone actually follow these guys' directions? My perception is that if that happened on a Navy base, the "interloper" would give a quick and concise "F-you...get the hell out of my way I'm in the middle of something!" and keep driving. If it happened on a Marine Base, there would probably be more sirs thrown around and everyone would have high speed haircuts.

Or maybe not. But I'm pretty sure about the Navy part.

That's the bitch of it - everything in the AF, to put it politely, is more political. So when an episode like this goes down nothing gets ironed out at the squadron level. The kingdoms that Horny spoke of are very real, so it becomes a matter of the ops group commander duking it out with the support group commander. The support group commander will never openly admit that his guys did anything wrong or stupid and the ops group commander won't call him out on it.

Don't think of the the AF as functioning as a military force - it's more like the DMV with some guns.

 

[scoolbubba]

Funny you should mention that Horny. Just a few days ago Ghandi was arrested by the ass clowns. He was airboss and led the jet "across the red". Unfortunately he had pulled a few plane lengths ahead of the jet to make sure some stuff was clear, but despite the blue car with flashing lights and a U-2 rolling in right behind him, they perceived him to be a threat - so as the OG rolls up to shut down he sees Ghandi getting cuffed with yet more SF vehicles rolling in to assist with the situation. I've just about had it with these fxck sticks. :icon_rage

This is ridiculous. Why aren't these fuck heads squashed and sent packing for general assclownery and douchebaggery?

 

[Gatordev]

That's the bitch of it - everything in the AF, to put it politely, is more political. So when an episode like this goes down nothing gets ironed out at the squadron level. The kingdoms that Horny spoke of are very real, so it becomes a matter of the ops group commander duking it out with the support group commander. The support group commander will never openly admit that his guys did anything wrong or stupid and the ops group commander won't call him out on it.

Don't think of the the AF as functioning as a military force - it's more like the DMV with some guns.

That all makes sense. It doesn't make it any more palatiable, but it makes sense.

 

[invertedflyer]

.............Don't think of the the AF as functioning as a military force - it's more like the DMV with some guns.

wait for it... wait for it........ AND you're a quote legend. awesome

I fly as part of an Air Force run Aero Club.. every now and then our direct supervisor (who, by the way isn't from any flying community) comes by to inspect, and we are also audited. The amount of paperwork items these folks look for is mind boggling... they seriously should enter the corporate world.

 

[FlyBoyd]

Funny you should mention that Horny. Just a few days ago Ghandi was arrested by the ass clowns. He was airboss and led the jet "across the red". Unfortunately he had pulled a few plane lengths ahead of the jet to make sure some stuff was clear, but despite the blue car with flashing lights and a U-2 rolling in right behind him, they perceived him to be a threat - so as the OG rolls up to shut down he sees Ghandi getting cuffed with yet more SF vehicles rolling in to assist with the situation. I've just about had it with these fxck sticks. :icon_rage

A few years back standing E-6 alert at Travis AFB with USAF security.

One dude was in his truck "guarding" a taxiway entrance to the compound. An E-6 pilot (ex-enlisted SEAL) was running inside the red line perimeter and he noticed the security dude was out cold. On his next lap by the main guard shack he grabbed the supervisor and took him to the dude. They both walked up to the vehicle and found the security dude with his belt and weapon in the front passenger floorboard and a magazine open on his lap. The E-6 pilot convinced the super to let him wake the sleeper up. So he quickly opened the door, grabbed the guy firmly by the trachea and slammed his head back yelling "YOU'RE DEAD!" We never saw that particular guy standing alert duty again...we saw him working the front gate.

This is the same pilot who months later saw a dark figure throw a pack under an alert E-6 one night. The "intruder" ran off into the night. Seeing that security didn't notice, he yelled out and proceeded to chase the guy into a feild next to the runway. He caught and subdued him causing a few minor injuries. Security then decided it might be a good idea to warn us if they were going to run exercises.

 

[phrogpilot73]

Don't think of the the AF as functioning as a military force - it's more like the DMV with some guns.

I've never put a quote in my signature line. Until now.

 

[HackerF15E]

You guys ain't seen nothin' from AF SkyCops 'til you've been stopped on a combat mission alert launch because you crossed the red line...inside the wire in a combat zone.

Talk about a total loss of comprehension of the mission. Stopping guys in flight gear, running out to airplanes, after the scramble horn has gone off and the scramble announced all over the LMR networks.

I have personally been engaged in a finger-pointing ass-chewing in the face of a Cop officer who delayed a CAS alert scramble because of something about line badges and red lines.

As if Hadji is going to get his hands on a full set of USAF flight gear, then hide out right next to the operations building, and then wait for a scramble, and run out to do damage to the airplanes.

This is one area you guys have it right -- the AF is full of idiotic cover-your-ass bureaucracy that protects power empires, that have resulted in a complete loss of the bubble. It is stuff like this that makes me think twice before rebutting whenever I hear someone on this board claim that the USAF is so far beyond repair that it should just be burned to the ground wholesale and started again from scratch.

It is my hope that any and every other US military force has been able to avoid this cancer that has completely engulfed the blue-uniform military. If the USN and USMC aren't like this, good on ya and more power to you.

 

[BACONATOR]

Funniest thing I've seen with the Air Farce is last weekend at the Edwards AFB Airshow. The organization (specifically insane traffic with minimal road-guards, running out of food etc) was an absolute abortion and it was the worst-executed airshow I've ever attended.

On top of that, I had to laugh pretty hard when I saw an AF Captain chasing down a prius when he exited between two cones instead of getting in line with the rest of us.

A CAPTAIN.... chasing cars on traffic detail!

And then I saw a Lieutenant Colonel with some sort of fighter weapons school patch, directing people.

Don't they have JUNIOR ENLISTED to do these things? And the odd E-dog I did see who was supposed to be directing traffic was just bumbling around in circles not doing DICK while the rest of us were parked in a line for 3 hours trying to get out.

Never thought a freaking airshow could be so telling about a service's organization and ability to task at the lowest level.

 

[Pepe]

The officer to enlisted ratio in the AF is roughly 1:3. Very top heavy. Probably has a little something to do with the kingdoms too.

 

[Jim123]

It is my hope that any and every other US military force has been able to avoid this cancer that has completely engulfed the blue-uniform military. If the USN and USMC aren't like this, good on ya and more power to you.

Well... on a lot of Navy bases you can be in uniform, military ID card in hand, look the part, but woe is you during a physical security exercise/certification/whatever. You'll probably have to wait out in the cold for what might be only a few minutes or maybe an hour... and try to be nice to the poor schmuck nub seaman who is really just doing what he was told.

On the other hand, I'm only half-joking when I say if you are sporting a scruffy beard, a man-pony-tail, carry a toolbox, and have some random ID card hanging around your neck by a shoelace then you pretty much have your run of the place. Quarterdeck sentries and pier sentries seem almost afraid to delay civilian contractors lest the contractor bolt for the day because of something his union supposedly negotiated.

Then there was the scandal with the contractors who turned out to be illegal aliens working on the JFK (must have been '01 or '02).

Not sure if there is more dumb or less dumb between the services, but there is definitely different dumb.

 

[BACONATOR]

Well... on a lot of Navy bases you can be in uniform, military ID card in hand, look the part, but woe is you during a physical security exercise/certification/whatever. You'll probably have to wait out in the cold for what might be only a few minutes or maybe an hour... and try to be nice to the poor schmuck nub seaman who is really just doing what he was told.

On the other hand, I'm only half-joking when I say if you are sporting a scruffy beard, a man-pony-tail, carry a toolbox, and have some random ID card hanging around your neck by a shoelace then you pretty much have your run of the place. Quarterdeck sentries and pier sentries seem almost afraid to delay civilian contractors lest the contractor bolt for the day because of something his union supposedly negotiated.

Then there was the scandal with the contractors who turned out to be illegal aliens working on the JFK (must have been '01 or '02).

Not sure if there is more dumb or less dumb between the services, but there is definitely different dumb.

It seems like duty (especially at the lowest levels) is a tough battle between letting things slide to not cause ass-pain for many many people, and not letting TOO much slide and getting REAMED for fucking up and not doing your duty.

Seems to yo-yo back and forth to each end of the spectrum as time goes by.